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Both get language pages on the first hit past the ads.

yes, but (a) that is now; the languages themselves had their heyday when search engines were a lot less good, and (b) it wasn't finding the language homepage itself that was hard, it was finding third party pages with code examples, blog posts etc.

>yes, but (a) that is now

As far as I can tell the complaint is being made now, not 10 years ago. But maybe I'm wrong and actually I've woken up in the past - please let me know if that's the case.

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