> The fact that fully vaccinated people have the same viral load with Delta invalidates a huge amount of your (and the Irish government's) reasoning behind demonizing the unvaccinated.
Do you have sources for either of these claims? Everything I've seen seems to indicate the opposite.
But think about it - have you heard of even one single case of someone recovering from Covid and then spreading it? The CDC haven't - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29201823
Contrast with vaccines. Contrast with the rhetoric. This shit is bananas.
For the second line, again, the CDC have said it themselves, albeit with caveats:
> For people infected with the Delta variant, similar amounts of viral genetic material have been found among both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people
- https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-var...
Think about how wild it is that with all our communication capabilities you need to hear this from a random dude on HN. There is very sophisticated and coordinated fear-mongering at play.
The second is fast developing situation therefore not many studies are done. I had statistics from hospital admittance in Latvia. It was interesting to see that about 13% of deaths are in vaccinated and 30% of hospitalized were vaccinated too. At this time Latvia had about 60% vaccinated almost the same in all age groups. It shows that vaccine has some effectiveness but vaccinated still spread infection considerably. The main benefit is that it reduces risk of death about 10 times but risk reduction in getting infected or sick is not that good.
https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
Edit. While googling around on this topic, I stumbled upon a decent comparison between the Israeli study and a CDC study that claims the opposite, specifically that covid recovered are five times more likely to be hospitalized for covid than the vaccinated.
https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-...