I feel like there is always drama or issues surrounding the governance of Rust. It has definitely made me wary to adopt it as a long-term language. Maybe I have recency bias or something.
> a mess like this is easily five to ten years ahead of its time. @rustlang core team. slinging open source strategy at @pubstruct . she/they
Who do you mean? The only Mozilla CEO I can remember being involved in any controversy was Brendan Eich, and that controversy was over his funding a campaign against gay marriage. I can hardly imagine calling that 'social justice culture'. (I'm hoping this comment doesn't summon him, like the last time I mentioned him on here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28789197)
"We granted 33% of Mozilla Foundation funds to black-led tech and social justice initiatives. Unfortunately, we fell short of our 40% target."
The Mozilla Foundation is meant to be funding Firefox. That is its purpose. Instead it is using money raised for that purpose to perpetuate SJW culture and overt racism against white people.
The type of insidious and dishonourable mind games the Rust moderation team are playing here is exactly the sort of thing I've come to expect from Mozilla-associated projects. The apologetics for it in this thread are just wrong. My weapon of choice is Kotlin, made by Russians. Guess what: there's no moderation team, the community is fine and in the 10 years the project has existed I recall exactly zero community related dramas. None. Zero. Nada. This sort of thing isn't normal for programming languages and people trying to claim it is are wrong: it's normal for languages controlled by a very specific kind of person in a very specific region and subculture of America.
In contrast, Brendan Eich kept his politics private and actually cared about Firefox as a product and technology.
This is extremely odious. HN is a public forum and everyone has the right to reply to your comments, especially if you mention them.
I was just looking at it through a slightly different frame since he's a (relatively) public figure. It's one thing to tag your Facebook acquaintance in a post and have them respond, it's another to make an offhand, slightly pejorative reference to Beyoncé and then see that Beyoncé herself sent you an angry reply. It's certainly his right, but it's a bit unexpected, and I don't think 'summon' was a particularly bad word for it.
But I suppose this is a tech forum, and Eich is not Beyoncé, so it's a bit hazy.
You can see this happening with browsers for instance, where the companies now are the ones who define the standards with things that are important to them, like DRM or showing ads, embellishing the pill with things nerds and hackers also like, where once this governance where in the hands of Tim-Berners-Lee et al.
And that's because we are talking about technologies that born more free of corporation oversight, which is the minority.. (Think Java first with Sun and now with Oracle for instance)
This Rust thing is just because powerful corporations are adopting it, and defining board members, so they can define more the direction of the platform and the technology.
For those corporations corrupt board members that know who owns them and what interests they should defend are more important than the personal character of that board member..
It's always like this and it will always be like this. Capitalism is a amoral system and it will turn everything it touch into its own image..
Until we don't stop and fix the root cause of the system that is corrupting everything that we value its like thinking you can stop a ocean wave by resisting it while on front of it.
Note: I'm not advocating to just destroying capitalism as a solution, but to acknowledge that this is actually systemic and happen all over and instead to try to fix the specific problem caused by it, we should get back some steps and try to fix the problem, which is systemic, for everything while preventing it from happening all over again in the future.
Consider Kotlin. It originates from one large company - JetBrains have over 1000 employees and the Kotlin team alone has over 100 people on it - and has been adopted by another much larger company (Google) as an official language. There are no dramas. Why, because the Russians are mission focused and don't feel any need to constantly virtue signal.
Consider Swift. It originates from a large company. I don't remember reading about any political dramas in the Swift world. That's because Apple are mission focused.
Now look at Node or Rust. Both have attempted to build some sort of non-corporate governance system, they're based out of the Bay Area, and all of them seem to be absolutely beset by internal conflicts and strife.