Lo and behold, you cannot submit your cancellation form without a Manager present. Okay, when does the Manager arrive? _Usually_ around 9:00AM is the response I got. I have to get home for a meeting at 8:30AM, so is there a mailbox I can drop this in? No. Can I leave it with you (the staff member attending the front desk) to hand to the Manager? No. Will the Manager be here around 5:00PM if I come back after work? No.
Please note that I bear no ill will towards the pleasant staff member that was helping me.
This should absolutely not be necessary, but is a shim until a regulator kicks gyms in the shorts over their predatory practices.
At the end of the year, I walked away and never got any letters about paying a renewal or anything.
And if you don't have checks for your checking account, you can get order them online from walmart.com for $10 + shipping. Or, if you still use a bank that has a local branch, you can go into the branch and ask for a single printed check. They cost a couple of bucks.
Agreed, and I also hate being stuck in 12-month contracts as well. I will never join a gym that makes me sign a long term commitment like that. The last local gym I joined was pretty cool about this. They had higher month to month prices and discounted longer term memberships. Gives you a chance to see how you like it after a few months.
In theory, consumer hostile practices should exist at a discount so a reputable business that isn't consumer hostile should be able to offer better products/services at a higher price point and let consumers decide if they want a hostile or non-hostile market. Some may claim that consumers just want cheap above all else and the market regulates to that, hostile or not. I dismiss this and claim the issue is that a price point signal doesn't give me enough information to tell me if a business is consumer hostile or not. Paying more absolutely does not guratentee a better consumer experience, it could just be a business operating at higher margins and that seems to be the norm--a business disguised as offering higher quality products/services or better experience to justify the price point. This model seems to work just as well and captures a subset of people willing to risk paying more for a hopefully more consumer friendly experience.
The issue with all of this is, as a consumer, you can't know without trying, and are limited by anecdata of trial and error while businesses often have significantly larger pools of information and therefor leverage to work with and strategize against consumers on price points and margin padding. Reviews and that sort of shared information are already gamed with so much misinformation and disinformation that these consumer hostile strategies continue to hold well (and are legal). I can try limiting reviews to a trusted network by word of mouth so I know people aren't hustling me (mostly, for now) but that only helps when someone in my trust network has a recommendation. Often, they don't, and they too have limited selection so their anecdata is a small sample size as well, meaning a better consumer experience can exist at a better price point.
As such, I'm not sure how you resolve this asymmetry in information in free markets. Consumers almost never have leverage unless they collude together because they lack scale and information that come with the resources of owning a business. Here you have hundreds, thousands, millions of customers you can sample from and test different strategies against, optimizing for your margins. As a consumer, I don't have the resources to do this and since consumer information is largely disjoint, I'm always left at a disadvantage hoping some business won't screw me over as many frequently do.
What's worse is that if a consumer hostile business is successful enough to accumulate enough resources to play the continous rebrand/rename game, I can't possibly even build a reputation against something I consume. I'm instead encouraged to push to established businesses and further entrench the massive market share holders where we tend towards a different set of monopolistic anti-consumer strategies.
They are selling aspirations and tend to have a local monopoly based on location. There are many gyms, but there aren’t many gyms in a particular locale convenient for whatever aspirational schedule exists.
Because of that, it’s really not in a cheap gyms interest to not be assholes.
Nicer gyms like the Y or a Country/Social club use things like childcare or social factors to increase the friction of leaving. More serious gyms use the trainer relationship and cost more or have fewer amenities.
I had to print and send them a letter. Or talk to the manager. Who is only there a few days a week. And no one knows when.
Obligatory:
“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
Fuck gyms. I can run on the sidewalk for free.
And this is relevant to the article, since Planet Fitness is specifically called out for being among the shadiest practitioners of this tactic.
And boy am I glad I invested in a home gym so I never have to deal with that industry again.
Important clarification: they sold your account to a collections agency. They made more than what you actually owed them by doing that, which is probably why they did that.
This makes absolutely zero sense and does not happen. Why would the collections agency pay more for debt than it's worth? Why wouldn't they sell all their accounts then? Free increase in profits!
They make more, across all accounts, than they would in lost time/expenses -pursuing- those debts. But the collection agency did not pay them > X to collect on X. Far from it; the collection agency paid them a small percentage of the total debt for the 'right' to try and collect on it.
I had this experience some years back.
The obnoxious collections agent (no robocalls for that stuff back then) tried to bully me.
I just laughed and wished them luck getting a penny out of me. Never heard from them again.
Nothing on my credit report either.
Perhaps things are different now.
Something to remember is that corporations (including collections agencies) have to pay lawyers if they want to take legal action against you.
And at $250-$400/hour, unless the "debt" is in the many thousands, it's generally not worth it to sue.
Note that I'm not suggesting that anyone stiff their creditors. Rather, it's useful to keep that bit of information in mind when dealing with unfair/unethical attempts to extort money[0] from you.
[0] Especially when a "collection agency" (read legal extortion racket) purchases your "debt" for pennies on the dollar.
Edit: Added detail about "debt" purchasing.
Um, no. Collection agencies buy debt at a discount, and make a profit if they manage to collect the full amount. It would make no sense for them to buy debt for more than what is owed.