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you missing the point yo. Workers are being paid peanuts because illegal immigration suppresses their wage.

Why pay someone $18/hr plus benefits/taxes, where you can pay some one who is an illegal immigrant for $12/hr, and no benefits and willing to do the job?

Simply supply and demand. Illegal immigration suppresses the wages of the low end type of jobs (manual labour and such), which in turn hurts people that are low income, and mostly minorities.

I am always baffled by some of the 'progressives' that chant BLM slogans, workers rights, and Defund the ICE at the same time.

Unfettered illegal immigration hurts black and lower income / working people the most.

"Champage leftism/progressivism" is the worst. It makes things worse for everyone involved, except themselves. It is political grift.

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ICE was created in the Bush years and has been demonstrably brutal and racist. You don’t need ICE to handle immigration. Somehow America made it until the 2000’s without it, and much like other three letter agencies created post-9/11, their effectiveness is dubious at best.

One real way to solve illegal immigration would be to make it easier to legally immigrate. Making them citizens means they have equal labor rights and can’t be treated like serfs, so then can command higher wages.

Also, outsourcing has done far more damage to the working class than immigration. Billionaires ginning up the “they’re taking your jobs” sentiment while offshoring as much good paying blue collar work as possible. Neoliberalism in a nutshell.

> Illegal immigration suppresses the wages of the low end type of jobs

“Failure to enforce existing labor laws against employers who hire illegally” is a critical step between “illegal immigration” and “suppressed wages.”

Abolishing ICE does not equate to stopping immigration enforcement: ICE has only existed for 18 years; enforcement did not start in 2003. The waters are also muddied by conservatives’ intentional conflation of “refugee applicants” with “illegal immigrants.”

Pretty sure intentional political scheming is what’s hurting everyone.

What do I know having been in rooms with people of the sort to be invited to Davos talking about keeping power out of the hands of the masses, just as James Madison, author of the Constitution, meant when he wrote the Senate ought to protect the opulent minority from the poor majority.

Blue collar Protestant work ethic is the worst. Instigating anxious doing in rubes is tribal warlord 101; yes yes you stay busy while I sit here.

My value store isn’t dollars, it’s a network of people collectively building in all contexts, not just the ones that are preferred by politics (indeed the “god father” of market economics, Adam Smith, only mentions one market; a free labor “market” that can move between gigs as needed; not sitting still for one employer). That just gives rich nobodies a pass on real effort, loads me up on real work by gate keeping undesirables rather than training them.

It effectively creates constraints on agency at scale, and quotas for the poor; exactly the sort of economy the US is not.

I bet the rich didn’t have a hard time finding TP.

You’re letting someone grift alright, just not who you think.

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