People crossing the centre line on blind corners because they were driving too fast were a real hazard on that section of road.
One summer (when the road was busiest) the Police ran an operation where a helicopter observed the road, and identified vehicles cutting corners, who were then pulled over outside the 8km stretch where it was safe to do so by waiting patrol cars.
They only ran it for a couple of weeks, but the calming effect of it on bad driving on that stretch lasted months, it was awesome.
So the Cessna might not be about making money, and more about the potential presence of the Cessna changing driving patterns increasing safety.
> A Tribune examination of overturned red light tickets revealed evidence that the city of Chicago has quietly cast a wider net to snare drivers since switching camera vendors earlier this year amid a bribery scandal.
> A before-and-after analysis of photographic evidence and interviews with experts suggests the transition to a new vendor last spring was accompanied by a subtle but significant lowering of the threshold for yellow light times.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-red-light-camera-yell...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ohio-town-must-pay-back-mil...
Remember when you could leave your house and not get recorded? I miss that.
Far too many people seem to think that their wants and needs and beliefs are so important that fuck the rest of you.
(Could also be that old chestnut about 75% of drivers considering themselves above average)
Some states have ruled them unconstitutional.
Aircraft allow for a "you could get caught at any time" deterrent that cameras can't unless you put them literally everywhere.
On the other hand you can go the average speed route instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit_enforcement#Averag...
The speed limit is for everywhere for safety. They faster people go the more dangerous it is.
Traffic calming techniques like narrower lane widths and widths are shown to be more effective than police enforcement. The “downside” of these methods are that they’re actually effective at controlling speed, and thus are a revenue loss.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-fatality-data-show...
If people drive at whatever speed they think is safe, then why would the aggregate number of people dying on roadways ever go up when miles driven by the same population goes down? Here are the possibilities:
1. Driving has become more risky due to external, uncontrollable factors, like weather or road changes that motorists can't account for or
2. People are modifying their behavior.
Why would they modify their behavior? The roads haven't changed. The speed limits haven't changed. What has changed? More people are dead because of extreme speed and reckless driving on roadways, which kind of suggests that traffic enforcement did at least prevent some of those deaths.
Going 70-80 on a limited access highway when conditions permit is not reckless. Weaving through traffic at 20+ the prevailing speed with no margin for error is. A number on a sign does squat to effect either group.
One interesting point from your link was a significant increase in drivers involved in fatal crashes testing positive for drugs including cannabis and alcohol, but especially opioids. It would take real research to quantify the relative effects of each of:
1. Increased speeding due to reduced enforcement
2. Increased DUI due to reduced enforcement
3. Increased DUI due to pandemic-related drug use
*at the speed they believe is safe. Most people also highly overestimate their driving skill.
That not remotely true in any part of the world I've visited so far.
Absolutely not. Speed limits that don't fit the roads they're on are not a safety measure. Outside of really blatant speeders, it's the road design that needs to make things safe or not and do the bulk of the work in guiding people to a reasonable speed.
But even separate from that issue, tons of speed limits are set for reasons like "people complained about noise, probably unreasonably" or "we want to make money off tricking drivers".
- Crotch rockets (driven by dudes in jorts and a t-shirt flapping in the wind)
- Dodge chargers w/ aftermarket exhausts
- BMWs with iridescent vehicle wraps
- Lifted pickup trucks with massively oversized tires
Reducing lane width is also shown to be a very effective speed control methodology, that does not require police enforcement.[0]
Or are you concerned about a loss of local and state revenue? Seriously, the use of police for revenue generation, rather than public safety is an open secret among police and local governments.[1][2][3]
[0] https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/stre...
[1] https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/04/policing-and-profit/
[2] https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/generating-new-revenue-s...
[3] https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/the-ben...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPECS_(speed_camera)#Similar_s...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit_enforcement#Averag...
(Sorry for the nerdy nitpick)
I heard it does not apply to all cantons, the Italian ones speeding is more OK.
All that being said I really dislike the US system where you can pass a police car driving 75 on the 101 and he doesn't care. There has to be some enforcement of the rules.
The US system is a probable cause generator.
I'm not sure I'd fight it if we lined the entire interstate highway system with plate detectors.
If your average speed is above a reasonable limit (80mph on low density straightaways?), then you receive a ticket at a rate multiplied by the duration of infraction.
to be certain, some speed limits are low for bad-science reasons. But the other issue is that the speed limit isn't set for the average case; it's set for the safety-limit case. As one highway engineer's blog put it colorfully (paraphrasing from memory): they aren't set to keep your decently-well-maintained 4-door sedan with tires installed this year on the road; they're set to keep the 18-wheeler driven by a sleep-deprived trucker at night during a light drizzle on the road when one of their tires blows.
Variable speed limits that adjust automatically with weather and lighting conditions can help, but the signage to indicate them costs money... Way more money than a static metal road sign.
The pilot and sensor operator are paid so that's another $100+/hr after benefits and such are paid.
I'm guessing they just do it to subsidize the aircraft and give it something to do between calls when it's on station. The aircraft costs money just sitting in the hangar so it'll help justify the costs.
But that's misleading. I've been told that the FBI usually pilots that particular aircraft. So the ADSB "owner" could be someone else.
This also factors into economics. Stuff like FLIR might be expensive to local police agencies but that cost is totally irrelevant to the Federales. Same with salaries. The Feds are already getting paid. The incremental cost is $0.
Most of the time this particular aircraft is observing various intersections in Portland. E.g. pursuing fleeing perps or monitoring street racing. Gang violence in Portland is out of control and there has been a public announcement that the FBI is helping.
A bird in the sky plus more cops than I would have thought they had were a frequent occurrence there, pulling over basically everyone who wasn't aware of the speed trap. Certainly worth it.
One day they raised the limit to 75 which is far more appropriate--I've never seen the plane since, I've seen one cop a couple of times hiding behind the crest of a hill.
What a silly way to look at safety money.
They can be hundreds of dollars; I’m sure it can work out financially if they can hand out enough, which seems likely from an airplane.
1. https://shotover.com/videos/videos/kabc_tv_air7hd_with_xtrem...
Pilots have a minimum number of hours / approaches per time period, and planes have high fixed operating costs (annual service, hanger, etc.), combined the marginal cost of catching speeders is low.