Comment by paul7986 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by paul7986 | Hacker News Reader

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Love to understand where are these workers went is it one of the following or a mix of things...

- Working now for Amazon, Door Dash, etc which offers flexible hours

- Some to more passed away due to Covid

- Some are scared to even go back to work

- All that unemployment (friend was making 1k a week off it for awhile) money changed people's attitudes towards working and or they saved/invested the money and still are living off of it. If this factor is the largest piece of the pie/puzzle i personally do not want to live in a society in which services that use to be available to readily available are no more cause huge chunks of people aren't working/govt is paying them to do nothing. Wasn't Ycombinator folks pushing for free money ... that didnt work out well for historically for other countries and now here in the US if this is the biggest factor in this puzzlie it's not working out for us (fast food is just the first in line to be negatively affected).

> i personally do not want to live in a society in which services that use to be available to readily available are no more cause huge chunks of people aren't working/govt is paying them to do nothing.

what it seems like you're saying here is that creating a permanent class of mindless worker-drones being forced to work two $9-an-hour jobs is ok as long as you can get a burger for $4.

No i am happy and having been paying more and tipping a lot more (30 to 40 percent) as I appreciate those who are working hard. From restaurants to sub shops (jersey mikes has tipping system built into their P.O.S).

Let's keep the economy and service industry running as strong as it was prior Covid by paying such workers a lot more per hour and tipping them a lot too.

Handing out free money will definitely have a negative affect on being able to enjoy service industry businesses as we did pre-COVID .. we are seeing it now even if its just half the reason of what happened/where all the workers go.

>jersey mikes has tipping system built into their P.O.S).

Everywhere except big box retail does nowadays.

> Let's keep the economy and service industry running as strong as it was prior Covid by paying such workers a lot more per hour and tipping them a lot too.

Let’s keep the economy and service industry running by paying people a salary such that customers don’t feel like they need to do charity work.

Not every is going to be or can be generous ..though the ones that have the means should as it will come back to them in more rewarding ways then filthy money.

> huge chunks of people aren't working/govt is paying them to do nothing.

This is an objection I don't understand.

If I have some solution that can solve some major $PROBLEM, but a side effect of that solution is that some small group of people "get paid to do nothing", I'm completely OK with that. There is, of course, some analysis required (how much waste the "paying to do nothing" consumes, versus the scale of the problem), but I don't have a fundamental issue with it.

However, there seems to be people for whom the idea that people could get free stuff is enough to cause them to completely disregard such a solution.

Why is the idea of people getting things for free (or "being paid to do nothing") so objectionable to people? Can we not acknowledge that it could be an acceptable downside in some cases?

I think I agree with you, but you have to admit it's deeply rooted in people's idea of fairness that everyone's gotta contribute.

This is especially the case if you're already a contributor, it's not hard to find someone who will ask why they have to work all day while someone who sits at home gets benefits for nothing.

It's really only once it's easy to satisfy all our needs that you can get most people to not care. For instance if there's a machine that only a small number of people needs to operate to service a large crowd.

Perhaps it's coming from a perspective of others who feel that they are being abused as well, treated unfairly and hate their job and would very much like to get paid to do nothing, so if then someone "less deserving" (at least from their perspective) would get the thing that they themselves want but can't have, then that leads to strong feelings of resentment and unfair treatment.

"If I can't have it, others shouldn't as well" is not constructive, but a quite widespread, unsurprising perspective.

You are ok with society changing where you can't just go out to a restaurant after 7pm and finding many services you once enjoyed are now hard to come by or don't exist at all cause there's no people to offer such services? Even those sitting around making money for nothing are going to miss that and sitting around being idle is a good thing for people in terms of emotional and in turn physical health?

No doubt we are seeing the affects of what free money (whether it's 50 percent of the cause or more or less) does ..how it changes society ... next time you want a service and it's not readily available like before or doesn't exist at all ..the free money is partly or more to blame!

I think it's seen as an acceptable downside in some cases. Military personnel and public works seem like good examples, but I could be wrong.

It is more important to some people's sense of fairness that other people are forced to work, even if this is ultimately fatal to them, than everyone in society is kept as safe as reasonably possible. This causes so many problems.

Can you please show me how to get paid to do nothing? I'm out of work after leaving an awful job and I'd really love the free money

if your in the US check out your states unemployment website .. google "whatever state you live in" file unemployment claim.

You might be able to get free money which I have in the past as needed but much prefer to work/contribute/reap rewards of working which isnt just all financial it's social..emotional and thus physical.

I've been in horrible jobs too and definetily quit them.. i recommend find where you best fit and make sure you are a team player ... a good bandmate who plays in rhythm and tune with everyone else (aka be chill .. do your work as well as you can and be kind ... it will come back to you). Where I work we just got rid of this control freak developer who wanted everyone to work just like him ... umm no dude this is a band and you are throwing us off ... as we are a chill group who do great work together cause there are no egos and b.s. (work in govt. where people are there to do good work not have a pissing contest or climb ladders).

I don't think I qualify for unemployment if I voluntarily left my job right?

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