Therefore how can you trust this drug? Follow the money! It’s just big science trying to propagate a pandemic to make more money!
If this sounds insane, we’ll ok just reflecting the common anti vax sentiments I hear on this web site (ugh).
If this sounds insane, we’ll ok just reflecting the common anti vax sentiments I hear on this web site (ugh).
1) the 80s New Age/Self-Help/Healthy Living/Naturopathic flakes,
2) the suspicions of black people who are generally neglected and sometimes abused by the health care industry (over a very long term with sign-off from regulators),
3) and the religious fundamentalist divine punishment crowd (disease exists to punish weakness and evil), and
4) the factual observation that the healthcare industry in the US is hopelessly corrupt from top to bottom, and will not change no matter how strong the political will of the general population, or how organized it is,
...and all combinations thereof, means that this is going to be something that we have to deal with forever. It has nothing to do with whether the vaccine is new or experimental, it's that it's a vaccine. We still don't have universal vaccination for HPV, and that prevents cancer.
The media blames vaccine hesitancy on Republican hucksters, but that's just because they're centrist neolibs and that's what they're paid to do. Republican grifters take advantage of whatever's available; this week they actually became animal rights activists in order to attack Fauci:)
The anti-vax feeling is deeper than that; it's become hopelessly tangled into religion, identity, and anti-authoritarianism. It's not going away. Covid-19 was actually pretty mild when it comes down to it, when a real disease comes along, we're all dead.
I'm actually on a personal countdown until I hear the first argument that this safe, effective, experimental pill is a reason not to take the dangerous, pointless, experimental vaccine, and that big pharma wants you to take the vaccine instead of the pill because reasons.
That ship sailed weeks ago on the Twittersphere, once news of the new drug's development came out. According to half of the idiots, the announcement explains why horse paste had to be "suppressed," given that ivermectin was inexpensive, already approved for human use, and unpatentable. The other half maintained that no, the new Pfizer compound was unalloyed good news, because they no longer needed to worry about getting the "untested," "experimental" vaccine.
Covid-19 was actually pretty mild when it comes down to it, when a real disease comes along, we're all dead.
Exactly, SARS-CoV-2 amounts to a dress rehearsal. We know how the real thing is going to play out now, and oh, boy.
Seeing this stuff so prevalent on HN really disappointed me.
That's a bold claim. In my experience the vast majority of people hardly try to think logically or apply critical thinking skills in most opportunities, and no human does so anywhere close to all the time. Humans are deeply irrational creatures, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
I assure you I have; only one of those sides has any intellectual merit.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y
" A person who was fully vaccinated and then had a ‘breakthrough’ Delta infection was almost twice as likely to pass on the virus as someone who was infected with Alpha." ( and i was saying that months ago just based on obvious arithmetic on public data https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28081982 and was labeled as anti-vaxxer, i guess now it is me, the journal Nature and the study authors are all anti-vaxxers)
"Unfortunately, the vaccine’s beneficial effect on Delta transmission waned to almost negligible levels over time. In people infected 2 weeks after receiving the vaccine developed by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca, both in the UK, the chance that an unvaccinated close contact would test positive was 57%, but 3 months later, that chance rose to 67%. The latter figure is on par with the likelihood that an unvaccinated person will spread the virus."
There is nothing wrong or unique about a vaccine being not effective in reducing transmission and spread. We have for example that with a flu vaccine each year. What unique and wrong is the vaccine mandate and enforcement of those failed Covid vaccines which plays right into the hands of the opposition to the vaccines in general which i think would result in a lot of damage down the road.