Comment by noyeastguy | Hacker News Reader

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This diet is hard to follow because yeast cuts through a lot of foods, especially in fermented foods as you've mentioned. A non-exhaustive list of yeasty foods looks like: Non-distilled vinegars, non-distilled alcohols, dried fruits, naturally-fermented soy sauce, cheese, many savory packaged goods, most vegan meat replacements, some dried spices, bread, etc.

Fermented foods and mushrooms can be good at fighting cancer precisely because they ramp up the immune system. In fact yeast is used as an adjuvant inside of vaccines for this purpose.

What's insane is that it is both known and not known that yeast causes inflammation by science. Used as adjuvant, used to "boost" immunity, yet not understood to be a cause of general low-grade systemic inflammation when in our food supply.

Opportunistic Strains of Saccharomyces cerevisiae: A Potential Risk Sold in Food Products https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4705302/

Most cheese, if not all, doesn't have yeast in it. It's bacteria that ferment it.

Though I guess it will have as much wild yeast land on it as any other food in your plate but I don't think that's what the parent comment was referencing.

Source: I've been involved in small commercial cheese making for years.

Umm, yeast is a common surface flora on many cheeses (probably all natural rind cheeses), and you can in fact buy packets of Debaryomyces Hansenii and Candida Utilis from Danisco specifically for use in cheese. Source: I'm involved in cheesemaking.

So what are you proposing? Trying to avoid everything that might cause an immune system reaction? That will eventually lead to the immune system really running amok...

I'm just saying that a wheat and yeast-free diet has reversed Hidradenitis and many systemic inflammation symptoms for me. In trying to understand _why_ it became clear to me that yeast (and maybe wheat) trigger an inflammatory response in our innate immune system - by design. So it's probably not a good idea to eat yeast unless you want to up-modulate your immune system (inducing inflammation). Even if your body can down-modulate, isn't that just causing a sensitivity imbalance similar to diabetes and glucose?

For example, Dectin-1 is one of many innate cellular receptors that launch inflammatory responses when Bread yeast (and others) is detected (and possibly 1,3 beta glucans from wheat). We are in a genetic war with saccharomyces cerevisia, inside of our DNA. And not just us, all animals need to be in this war, because otherwise we'd die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLEC7A

So if all this is true, does it make sense to put yeast extract in your gravy tonight?

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