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That's not what happened in the two states that alleviated DST (Arizona and Hawaii). They are always on winter time.

>Federal law allows a state to exempt itself from observing daylight saving time, upon action by the state legislature, but does not allow the permanent observance of DST.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/daylight-saving...

I grew up in Indiana when they were on standard time year-round. It was light until well after 8:00pm in the summer, that's enough.

Is that due to being so far West in the Eastern Timezone?

Maybe? Yes? I'm not opposed to the idea of more, narrower time zones, though I think that in practice anything less than one-hour differences would be more complicated than it's worth.

Chicago has the opposite problem, where it's dark at 4:30pm in the winter.

you want the timezones to be 30 minutes apart? (i assume you aren't proposing 15) that sounds so much worse than the status quo

At the expense of standing at the school bus stop in complete darkness for most mornings of the school year.

13 years of rising hours before dawn and walking and waiting in darkness is enough.

I would suggest that the government of any state or nation not be allowed to ever say what [civil] time it is, and require that they take technical timekeeping information--for TAI, UTC, UT1, and the like--from non-political scientific bodies.

Or start school later?

I don't really remember waiting for the bus in the dark until I was in high school, when they started earlier and due to the need to use the same bus for later runs to elementary schools, we arrived at school 30 minutes before class started. I'm thinking my elementary school started at 8:30 or 9:00am? But I can't really remember.

In the case of Arizona, an early sunset actually makes sense because that means you get to enjoy the evenings outdoors at 30-ish ˚C (around 90 ˚F) instead of the >40˚C (>100˚F) you would have if the sun was still up.

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