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Vaccinated people also spread the delta variant, yearlong study shows

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>The analysis also found that 25% of vaccinated household contacts still contracted the disease from an index case, while 38% of those who hadn’t had shots became infected.

I cannot believe that we've come so far as to federally mandate a vaccine which apparently only reduces your chances of getting infected by a family member from 38% to 25%, over a virus with a 99.99%+ survival rate in healthy individuals under 50.

In light if these numbers, note that the recent approval for use in children [0] relied on Pfizer's own risk/reward calculation, and probably used far more optimistic efficacy values in their forward modeling of reward. In fact this has been the case for all of the rushed approvals to date. At best the vaccines were approved for the alpha variant and the models are no longer valid, yet the approval and mandates persist.

I wonder, if our institutions had any semblance of consistency, how many posts claiming "safe and effective" need to be taken down for misinformation?

0. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29042498 -- curious that a self described "transparent" report was announced on a page without any links to accompanying literature.

People want to see government taking action. That is populist democracy.

> over a virus with a 99.99%+ survival rate in healthy individuals under 50.

I'm far more concerned with long term consequences than a painful death.

There is no evidence that covid vaccines protect from long covid in breakthrough cases.

unfortunately you can still get covid or a variant of it. there is a small reduction in your chances which is better that nothing but the more we are learning about the virus and our vaccines we are still seeing a decent amount of deaths from those of us who have been vaccinated, my brother in law’s uncle died after he got his second shot, he was otherwise healthy. we don’t know if it was a coincidence but, still something to consider. especially with this report. it’s best for those of us who are comprised to still be very careful until we figure it all out or just have to accept it, which is sad but hoping for the best

The last two years have taught me a lot about the power of fear. I now finally understand FDR’s quote, “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.”

I've noted the rising temperatures and increasing hate over this issue. Just this week, some guy in LA starts yelling at anti-vaccine protesters, gets into a car, and rams into the crowd:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-injured-after-man...

People are losing it.

i know it’s sad, people will lash out others due to fear. i think it’s been extremely irresponsible of our leaders and honestly more so the media than anything. obviously not all media but especially some subs of reddit are laughing at people who have died. yeah most people can probably separate themselves from the information on reddit and not act on it, but there are plenty of people out there who aren’t as bright, who may take that information on reddit and use it to harm people thinking they are somehow justified in doing so. reports like this keep surfacing and it’s starting to show people that they really took the wrong approach about how they treated people. but my parents said stuff like this happened towards the gay community during the aids crisis. a lot of queer people were targeted more so during that time by people who justified their actions because of the toxic or misinformed rhetoric that was going on at the time.

i know it sounds cheesy but our words really do have power, we say things and they don’t always just get heard, they can be understood and acted upon or misunderstood and acted upon, good and bad. we’ve witnessed it before, sure the atmosphere was ripe during certain times, where a voice came forward and got people to march with them. good and bad. there’s a reason why oral traditions were and ancient text have talked about words having power. because it’s true. words have power.

I don't think this is unexpected, despite what some posters grasping at the last speck of hopium might say. With prolonged contact like this, Delta can replicate and spread from even an average initial viral load before the anamnestic response kicks in enough to clear the infection. This is not like hepatitis B virus for sure, any hope I had of that earlier this year is now gone.

https://archive.md/Ewpk3

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