We can make the conscious choice to reduce our dependence on disposable products, but at some point (for everyone, for every "easy" solution x) it's not worth reducing any more.
We can make the conscious choice to reduce our dependence on disposable products, but at some point (for everyone, for every "easy" solution x) it's not worth reducing any more.
My ex-wife was a stay at home Mom for her religious reasons, and was determined to be the "best" Mom, only healthy food, no TV or devices, cloth nappies etc.
Once we hit kid #3, the time needed to launder cloth nappies wasn't viable with two other kids on the go. I encouraged her to give disposables a go, and she was hooked, but very guilty about it.
But yeah, disposables saved us (well mainly her) many hours of scraping shit, stirring a giant bucket of nappies with Napisan, washing them, hanging them out in the sun to let the UV sort the stains etc.
So while paper towels are technically non-essential, I'm reminded of the old sarcastic comment that "Linux is free, if your time has no value".
On the other hand, I've known grown, solo adults who went through a few full rolls of luxe-brand paper towels a week (who needs a plate when you can stack 10 sheets of paper towels?).
And these bum showers can be bought on Amazon quite cheaply and shouldn’t be too difficult to install on any toilet.
You’d also be much cleaner I think.
This is just one example of such a shower found on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B086W1YZSH/ref=sspa_mw_detail...
Might depend how dry you want your bottom to be. I live in Thailand, so we got bum guns everywhere of similar style as the linked Amazon product (no drying function). I usually just use 2-4 sheets to "dry" my behind. If it's still a little bit wet, I don't mind, as my behind will get dry after a few minutes with pants on anyways (perhaps because I live in a hot country). At least I am 100% sure my behind is clean.
Back in the UK though you during the winter the water will be extremely cold and you really don't want to be damp down there.
I get your point, but yeah, differing circumstances.
We used just use cloth diapers, put them in a diaper-only load in our washing machine, dry them in the dryer, and it worked fine.
Scraping? We just used a sprayer attached to the toilet, held in a little clip thing that keeps the spray contained. Stuff went in the toilet, mostly-clean diaper goes in the pail.
We also did "elmination communication" part-time. Just literally set the kid over the potty around the right amount of time after eating, and each time we take diaper off, and if it looks like they're about to go. It wasn't lots of extra work, and around 6-months, we had maybe half the times just going in the potty without needing to deal with a dirty diaper at all.
The entire problem is that our society is set up for the disposable approach and you rarely even know anyone in person who can guide you through managing it better, so we all figure it out for ourselves using the internet. But like, the one other family we told about what we were doing it just followed our lead and had total success too. And kids end up fully potty trained before 2yo.
It takes more than just good intentions, it takes sharing the wisdom more. Companies that profit off of a disposable economy work to get attention instead of the better wisdom we could be sharing with one another.
Like, say, a low pressure water supply, limited to 900L a day.
There's a reason we went with scraping the solids off, then soaking the nappies. It wasn't a lack of wisdom.
Wisdom is why we used a washing line instead of a dryer, as the UV in my country is amazing at removing the left over stains.
It's also great at giving people with a Northern European heritage skin cancer, so you know, upsides and downsides.
Props on sticking to your guns for so long with cloth nappies, I know some couples who couldn’t make it work and felt they’d let themselves down.
Yes, circumstances vary. But I stick to my basic point that wisdom is not shared anywhere near enough, and a lot of the blame for that goes on the businesses who profit from people remaining unwise. This factor is at the heart of a huge portion of the world's problems.
We are using (modern) cloth nappies (after having used disposables early on). Our washing machine handles it all with standard detergent. No stirring or Napisan necessary. The drying via hanging up is exactly the same as for any other laundry.
I do see your general point, of course. We mostly went with the cloth nappies in the first place, because of fitting issues.
Wow, a thread about supply chains and you manage to take a cheap jab at Linux. In response, try running Windows on a computer you only use once a month. You can watch it update every time instead of getting work done. Linux you can update while working.
Only the major releases of Windows 10 need a stop the world reboot. Those happen once every six months. And it's usually only a few minutes.
That's for a home machine. I've seen some enterprise machines take forever. I have no idea how they managed to fuck that up, but it's on the IT organisation of those enterprises, not on Windows.
Server 2016 (and older versions of W10) are horrendous for updates. You can have servers stuck on "configuring updates" during shutdown or startup for over 30 mins. Server 2019 is much better though.
"Linux is free, if your time has no value."
But also:
"Free software: more expensive than money."
Those old sarcastic comments remind me of Cygnus Solution's more up-beat slogan (they ported and supported free software like GCC, and were bought by RedHat):
"We Make Free Software Affordable"
Instead of just whining about cheap shots, Cygnus Solutions deftly channeled the doubts and problems raised by the first two slogans (which they didn't originate, but were going around at the time), into a successful service under the last slogan (which they did originate, in response).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_Solutions
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1641664
http://www.h-online.com/open/features/GCC-We-make-free-softw...
Thank you for recognizing this point. It costs me $6 to do a (small) load of laundry at my complex and the time cost of going to a laundromat makes it economically unviable.
I end up doing quite a lot of washing of said rags, but it's far more economical than the paper towels ever were and quite a bit more convenient in general to boot.