What caused all the supply chain bottlenecks?
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If the spending doesn't re-balance again as restrictions are lifted this is not a temporary supply chain issue caused by just-in-time methodology, it's just the new normal.
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We can make the conscious choice to reduce our dependence on disposable products, but at some point (for everyone, for every "easy" solution x) it's not worth reducing any more.
I end up doing quite a lot of washing of said rags, but it's far more economical than the paper towels ever were and quite a bit more convenient in general to boot.
My ex-wife was a stay at home Mom for her religious reasons, and was determined to be the "best" Mom, only healthy food, no TV or devices, cloth nappies etc.
Once we hit kid #3, the time needed to launder cloth nappies wasn't viable with two other kids on the go. I encouraged her to give disposables a go, and she was hooked, but very guilty about it.
But yeah, disposables saved us (well mainly her) many hours of scraping shit, stirring a giant bucket of nappies with Napisan, washing them, hanging them out in the sun to let the UV sort the stains etc.
So while paper towels are technically non-essential, I'm reminded of the old sarcastic comment that "Linux is free, if your time has no value".
On the other hand, I've known grown, solo adults who went through a few full rolls of luxe-brand paper towels a week (who needs a plate when you can stack 10 sheets of paper towels?).
And these bum showers can be bought on Amazon quite cheaply and shouldn’t be too difficult to install on any toilet.
You’d also be much cleaner I think.
This is just one example of such a shower found on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B086W1YZSH/ref=sspa_mw_detail...
Might depend how dry you want your bottom to be. I live in Thailand, so we got bum guns everywhere of similar style as the linked Amazon product (no drying function). I usually just use 2-4 sheets to "dry" my behind. If it's still a little bit wet, I don't mind, as my behind will get dry after a few minutes with pants on anyways (perhaps because I live in a hot country). At least I am 100% sure my behind is clean.
Back in the UK though you during the winter the water will be extremely cold and you really don't want to be damp down there.
I get your point, but yeah, differing circumstances.
We used just use cloth diapers, put them in a diaper-only load in our washing machine, dry them in the dryer, and it worked fine.
Scraping? We just used a sprayer attached to the toilet, held in a little clip thing that keeps the spray contained. Stuff went in the toilet, mostly-clean diaper goes in the pail.
We also did "elmination communication" part-time. Just literally set the kid over the potty around the right amount of time after eating, and each time we take diaper off, and if it looks like they're about to go. It wasn't lots of extra work, and around 6-months, we had maybe half the times just going in the potty without needing to deal with a dirty diaper at all.
The entire problem is that our society is set up for the disposable approach and you rarely even know anyone in person who can guide you through managing it better, so we all figure it out for ourselves using the internet. But like, the one other family we told about what we were doing it just followed our lead and had total success too. And kids end up fully potty trained before 2yo.
It takes more than just good intentions, it takes sharing the wisdom more. Companies that profit off of a disposable economy work to get attention instead of the better wisdom we could be sharing with one another.
Like, say, a low pressure water supply, limited to 900L a day.
There's a reason we went with scraping the solids off, then soaking the nappies. It wasn't a lack of wisdom.
Wisdom is why we used a washing line instead of a dryer, as the UV in my country is amazing at removing the left over stains.
It's also great at giving people with a Northern European heritage skin cancer, so you know, upsides and downsides.
Props on sticking to your guns for so long with cloth nappies, I know some couples who couldn’t make it work and felt they’d let themselves down.
Yes, circumstances vary. But I stick to my basic point that wisdom is not shared anywhere near enough, and a lot of the blame for that goes on the businesses who profit from people remaining unwise. This factor is at the heart of a huge portion of the world's problems.
We are using (modern) cloth nappies (after having used disposables early on). Our washing machine handles it all with standard detergent. No stirring or Napisan necessary. The drying via hanging up is exactly the same as for any other laundry.
I do see your general point, of course. We mostly went with the cloth nappies in the first place, because of fitting issues.
Wow, a thread about supply chains and you manage to take a cheap jab at Linux. In response, try running Windows on a computer you only use once a month. You can watch it update every time instead of getting work done. Linux you can update while working.
Only the major releases of Windows 10 need a stop the world reboot. Those happen once every six months. And it's usually only a few minutes.
That's for a home machine. I've seen some enterprise machines take forever. I have no idea how they managed to fuck that up, but it's on the IT organisation of those enterprises, not on Windows.
Server 2016 (and older versions of W10) are horrendous for updates. You can have servers stuck on "configuring updates" during shutdown or startup for over 30 mins. Server 2019 is much better though.
"Linux is free, if your time has no value."
But also:
"Free software: more expensive than money."
Those old sarcastic comments remind me of Cygnus Solution's more up-beat slogan (they ported and supported free software like GCC, and were bought by RedHat):
"We Make Free Software Affordable"
Instead of just whining about cheap shots, Cygnus Solutions deftly channeled the doubts and problems raised by the first two slogans (which they didn't originate, but were going around at the time), into a successful service under the last slogan (which they did originate, in response).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_Solutions
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1641664
http://www.h-online.com/open/features/GCC-We-make-free-softw...
Thank you for recognizing this point. It costs me $6 to do a (small) load of laundry at my complex and the time cost of going to a laundromat makes it economically unviable.
Perhaps the original comment is right about purchases moving from services to goods. We ended up buying things we may have otherwise used through services. A paddle board we’d otherwise rent, roof top tent (otherwise used to pay for camp sites that were closed during the pandemic), cooking equipment to satisfy cravings for food from restaurants that were closed or shut down, etc.
Overall it’s been money well spent though.
Even if spending stays shifted supply will be able to catch up eventually. Once people believe there's a predictable level of demand they will be able to plan output for it - or else someone else will capture that new market share.
So while the demand is waking up there are still a lot of places with large numbers of people sick and/or dying because they don't have wealthy governments who can afford mass vaccination.
Trains in Europe are about 90 TEU, with them being capped by terminal handling capacity and legal maximums. Rail length at terminals in LA seem to be similar to Rotterdam and Antwerp: 600-900m. Let’s assume US freight trains can double their capacity by double stacking their trains. 180 TEU per train is still well under an average barge size.
I couldn’t find modal split numbers for LA, but I’m willing to bet their trucking share is above the ~55% Rotterdam achieves (some 10-15% is rail, remaining share is inland barges)
Trains are ofcourse still way more efficient than trucks.
Last I heard Europe was in the middle of an energy crisis which could easily turn out to be linked to supply chain disruptions. It has been long enough for the slow-rolling-wave nature of economic disasters to start surfacing, but it is too early to raise a head up and talk about cause and effect without some citations.
Okay, it doesn't technically do that, the Jones Act just requires you to use a US-owned US-built US-crewed US-operated ship. These ships, in general, don't exist. Oh, sure, there are a few that go back and forth to Puerto Rico, and there are a few wastewater ships running up and down the East River in New York, but no one would dream of using ships like these for general cargo. They are not up to modern container-shipping standards. Puerto Rico pays a premium for a few of these freighters and tankers but generally does more to import goods from the Caribbean and Central America than from the US; when there are hurricanes, the President has to issue a waiver so they can move disaster recovery supplies in from the mainland.
Fish shipped from Alaska are unloaded on the east coast in Canada, where they put on trucks, and the trucks are put on a carrier train which makes a round trip back and forth for the length of the cargo terminal to qualify as being "shipped by Canadian rail" for US legal purposes, and then the trucks drive into the US with the fish. A related law afflicts cruise ships, which always stop somewhere in Canada, Alaska, or the Caribbean, on their way between US ports.
One of the premises of the Jones Act was that it will preserve American shipbuilding for national security™ purposes. This has more or less utterly failed. However, Joe Biden's campaign promises specfically called out fortifying the Jones Act so that it would be even stronger, so, don't hold your breath on change.
Can you find a citation for this, I would love to add the example to an upcoming book.
You can also follow a recent mini-saga in The Wall Street Journal:
- "Mr. Biden’s Fish Story", Sept. 9, 2021
- "How 26 Million Pounds of American Fish Got Stuck in Canada", Sept. 16, 2021
- "A Victory Over the Jones Act", Oct. 11, 2021
You can also read about it from the people who want to hold these fish shipments hostage to their vessels: https://www.americanmaritimepartnership.com/articles/alaskan...
You can also read about Filet-o-Fish switching from Alaskan to Russian fish (and obviously NOT to American vessels) as a consequence of this saga: https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/cbp-bayside-canad...
The other big factor in this speaks to your point. We are importing far more than exporting. Containers have gone up 10x in price over the last year and we need to get all these empties back to Asia, etc.
If you put a vase on top of your car and drive away, it's irrelevant which bump in the road causes the vase to fall off; it was bound to fall off eventually. The global supply chain was optimized for efficiency, to the point of fragility, and whether it was a pandemic or a war or something else, a shock was coming eventually. With climate change, we can expect more frequent weather-induced changes in the future. A supply chain which cannot handle frequent, large changes is too fragile, and that's what's wrong with JIT.
When I took inventory and supply chain course, JIT scared the shit out of me because it's was so obviously fragility.
In conventional JIT, the goal is specifically to minimize inventory by minimizing the time between when something is produced and when it is consumed. This is good from an accounting perspective as money that would be tied up in inventory can be put to other uses such as investments. JIT is about eliminating the variability for which you would need buffers, really the opposite of what Toyota does.
I Googled and the first result was "Under delta, supply chain strains, Toyota slashes production."[0] Many similar results[1][2][3].
Six months ago they were getting temporary reprieve because they monitored supply and snapped some up[4], but now, six months later, they seem to be having to slash production like everyone else.
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[1]https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37364490/toyota-cutting-g... [2]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/toyota-slashes-producti... (pbs reiterates AP report) [3]https://www.thestreet.com/phildavis/stocks-options/thursday-...
[4]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-07/how-toyot...
But my point is that total demand for goods has actually increased and not by a little, by a lot. Buffers in the supply chain can't help with that, can they? An increase in total throughput is needed to solve that, and that's going to take a while. Is there something I'm missing here?
If you have a substantial buffer, when demand picks up you notice that you are drawing from your buffer at an increased rate and you order things early so that you can scale with that increased demand. It's okay if your suppliers need some time to hire additional labor or buy a new machine, even at this increased rate of consumption you still have some time before your stocks run out. There is no need for you to pay your suppliers a premium to drop their existing orders from other customers to support your demand.
If you don't have that extra buffer, then when demand increases there is no avoiding shortages - not only do you need to scale up to increase production and meet this new demand, but now you also have an ever growing backlog of orders that you also need to fulfill. These companies scramble to rush in material and equipment asap, which drives up prices and drains the stocks of other companies, and pushes the problem further up the supply chain. Firms that aren't actually seeing an increase in demand nevertheless must buy more to guarantee their buffers will not run out, further increasing shortfalls in production. What could have been a localized hiccup cascades into a global economic problem.
However it's important to note that the pandemic was not simply a shifting in demand patterns. Early on production in many cases stopped or was extremely reduced as employees quarantined and businesses cancelled orders expecting various drops in consumer demand. Again here, JIT is a problem as it led firms to cancel orders much earlier than they should have, and it makes restarting lines much slower. For example auto makers cancelled their chip orders right away at the start of the pandemic expecting people to save money and not buy cars, but it turned out demand for cars increased, and a lack of chips grinds auto manufacturing to a halt. If the auto manufacturers had just accepted that their inventory of chips might sit on a shelf a little longer, the counter intuitive uptick in demand would have been a blessing instead of a curse.
(You didn't ask me and I'm not an expert but) Not if you just use them as a pure buffer (and there's no re-re-adjustment before they're used up), no. But they'd give you some time to think 'Hm, stocks being depleted faster than usual, we need to reorder sooner, and more.'
The problem is not "the system reacts to quickly to our controls". It's "humanity when faced with uncertainty about the pandemic choose to optimize the controls over a to short time frame leading to regret". Economic ideologies also have impact on the choice of the time frame. Blaming that the system reacts to well to our controlls just because it reacting sluggisher might have had a trajectory under the same controls that would have caused less regret this time is my opinion very mistaken.
> JIT assumes you have a reasonably stable flow
Covid made nearly every flow unstable.
You can't adapt your production process if there aren't alternative options
No I am not missing that I just think that JIT done right (no true scottsman) doesn't require stable flow. At best it needs predictable flows and in the current economic system where a lot of information is lost at the company border => the only way to ensure predictability in our current system is have steadyness if things pass company borders.
If we are making statements about how our economic system ought to be it we should consider either flexible pricing that actually reflects information at the company border (with all the Pareto front guarantees that can bring us) or cross company optimization of the economy (providing better guarantees).
> flexible pricing that actually reflects information at the company border (with all the Pareto front guarantees that can bring us)
What information is lost at the border? Why? How is pricing not already flexible?
Considering almost every article I read about the causes cites the shift from services to goods (to the point of feeling like it's filler at this point), I wonder how we are reading such different sources. I'm thinking about sources like the NYT.
I noticed that the inventory levels of our vendor were dropping, but we weren't buying. Meaning our customer was ordering the same product from a competitor.
I proposed that we spend the money to buy the rest of the material at the vendor. Basically denying our competitor the materials and forcing either them to come to us or the customer dropping the order and reordering through us. This would have been a risk because that's about a year supply of proprietary castings that we can't use for anything else, but I really thought it was a worthwhile opportunity. But it went against lean principles so we didn't do it.
Fast forward 6 months and our competitor basically did the same thing to us.
With that understanding, there's only one rational course of action: to secure your supply before they do, and your competitor realized all this.
The only real decision to make is whether to risk the more aggressive move of also locking up your competitor's supply.
Game theory offers amazing insights, but it doesn't really deal with internal company politics, the power of business consultants and the desire to obtain silver bullets.
Could it be that quarterly/annual budgets make one assume participation in a finite game, rather than infinite? That's precisely the kind of thing the author of the tweet chain seems to be describing.
A) This was a multi-factoral event certainly but all of these other factor are "immediate causes" which can themselves be traced to absolute maximum return on equity as a more final cause.
B) No doubt "hard to restart" process are were involved. But the world relies on single-source, hard to restart, large scale production of many things today because these produce the highest returns for those who invest in them and the lowest prices for those who buy from them. And both kinds of actors have been willing to just stop producing rather than doing something that might be costly to keep production going (and they decided they didn't want backup before this for the same reason).
C) Supply lines that stretch around world exist as a combination of economies of scale and "labor market arbitrage" and both these are driven by return, even though "labor market arbitrage" doesn't increase efficiency or robustness.
D) Chip manufactures put money into "up-date" chip processes, notably leaving the sorts of chips actually used in cars woah fully under-invested and generally many sorts of lack of robustness can be traced down to money flowing only to the normally profitable. Shutting down production isn't necessarily that bad for a company - they don't wages and they can start back up once things stabilize. It's much less disastrous than making a bunch of stuff and not being able to sell it. Clearly, that thinking is guiding a lot of decisions.
Chip manufacturing has a clear start/end date for the product lifetime. This is necessary when you are incorporating a product into a design and product lifetime. Sometimes they will 'oops' you and send it out of print early. Generally, they have a 'b' product that "meets" your needs or product engineering just scrambles and tries to guess how many we need for a final run for our EOL. Much like the guy above me, the former requestor and probably his boss... I pad my estimates. Thank the baby Jesus I don't deal with the complicated world of sales and cocaine.
I want to put a big asterisk on "meets" because one man's performance metric is another man's failure. In discrete circuits this can be harmonics and in more complicated topology this could be tuned for an entirely different (but potentially acceptable) set of characteristics.
Enter the hardware qualification rounds where people like me make people cry and deadlines slip.
Supply lines work in months of advancement and trust me when I say this they have been fighting with chip shortages for months.
The people who care about costs have been playing a weird game of rubiks cube and the people who don't have been buying everything for year+ production. Guess who won that game of planning competition...
Taiwan going complete Orwellian and shutting down for months screwed the market in so many ways. Short sightedness on bean counters screwed themselves in many other ways and automobile manufacturers had the brilliant idea to just 'buy it all out' and give the manufacturers a big payday.
Seriously, chip manufacturers are like shoe string manufacturing. The latter counts wartime boot string orders as a big payday and that is something a lot of us look at as a bad year in a paycheck. (well the ones with skill anyway).
Lines are created with a product if the current line cannot manufacture that product. There are cases where they have to shutdown and completely retool. This isn't remotely the case regarding components today. The line simply stopped and/or went to minimal production. It wasn't news or a surprise because this is garbage we have been fighting with for months. Taiwan simply stopped producing at the level they were because they have some severe lockdown strategy.
In Q3 2021, TSMC shipped 12.5% more wafers year over year and +5.7% quarter to quarter during the period with the highest covid restrictions. And that's already on top of the 19% increase in shipments for the full year 2020 over 2019.
https://investor.tsmc.com/english/encrypt/files/encrypt_file...
As for the turn to founder control, one counterexample is Tim Cook who doesn’t have voting control of Apple but is sitting on a massive shock absorber made of cash earning insanely low rates of return. The idea that you need control of the board to be robust doesn’t seem to be necessary. It is probably helpful, apple may be sui generis, but it isn’t necessary.
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If you are a bakery that sells very close to 100 loafs a day, you would want to make about 100 per day. Some event happens randomly and you have demand for 400. You could call it a supply chain failure or you could call it a success to turn away 300 customers once a year vs throwing out 300 loafs every other day.
At the end of the period, all of this redundancy spend gets binned so you gained nothing from it. Some essential services like healthcare could make sense to spend extra on redundancy since turning away 300 "customers" is a lot more serious than not getting your loaf or gaming pc.
But on those busy days, the store would turnover 4-5x when competitors were out of product.
Governments need to be built up to handle 100 year floods. Businesses standard life time don't last long enough to spend a ton of resources on betting towards those kinds of time scales.
Thanks in some part to the fundamentally misguided idea that governments should be run like businesses.
> Therefore I favor any marginal increased investment for 100-year floods from any part of society
Definitely agree. We are bad at dealing with this kind of risk profile, and we need to be more aware of this.
Just look at the climate change stupidity, any city in the world could build a 6 foot sea wall and give the middle finger to climate change in a year with minimal cost but instead we have all manner of stupid at an international level.
I used to live in a city that was in a rainforest and would run out of water like clockwork during the two months of the year it wasn’t bucketing down rain. It even had mountains with snowpack as a backup but they could never figure out how to build a dam an extra 6 feet higher so we wouldn’t run out of water. We had enough money to buy people heroin but couldn’t figure out how to not run out of water. There was never a heroin shortage, always plenty of that, they’d just buy more but if you wanted to water your lawn, get rekt bud, we don’t have any water.
To be fair regarding the heroin, it did cost about $500,000 per person to obtain enough heroin.
Running the government "like a business" is meaningless rhetoric and no one can agree on what that actually means, but typically those in favor of the idea want to privatize government services and generally reduce governmental 'bloat' where whatever policies they don't like or utilize are defined to be inefficient. Timescales are typically irrelevant to that discussion.
Cash on the balance sheet is not inventory. Cash won't make the bill of materials magically appear; if a weather event knocked out 5nm production at TSMC, I'm not sure any amount would be able to address their supply chain woes. There just aren't enough ASML machines in the world, let alone everything else in a state of the art fab.
I wouldn't rule out their ability to build a fab in some sort of incredible Manhattan Project-esque feat with their outstanding funds, but at that point you'd have to ask "at what cost?" Then again, maybe that's a more efficient way they could use their cash than sitting on it.
At 1% chance each year, it would actually be 'sixtynine year floods'.
The better way of looking at it is probably: In a 100*n year window, you expect to see n such events, which makes it pretty immediately obvious that the yearly incidence probability is 1/100.
[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-year_flood#Probability
With that said, citing averages on companies can be pretty misleading. For example, family-owned businesses tend to last longer, with 1/3 reaching 60 years [0]. That naively suggests a mortality rate of ~1.8% per year, not that far from the risk of a 100y storm. There may be other categories of private firm that are more optimized for longevity, or it may be possible to structure them in order to make better infrastructure actors.
[0] https://hbr.org/2021/07/do-most-family-businesses-really-fai...
It would be interesting to see how many family generation changes family firms can survive. Obviously there are very old firms (some of which are closely tied to the gov: the British Royals, Aramco) but I would guess you have a step-like survival function.
Private firms (public or not) can and do build long-lived infrastructure. High voltage power lines are an example (maybe not a great example since they are heavily regulated). Expensive infrastructure has a long-term financing problem because DCF with any reasonable discount rate will essentially turn all earnings 30 years from now into nothing. The persistence of some government that will recognize the debt (or persist some legal entity that will receive the cash flow to service it) makes possible long-term financing. One solution is to make infrastructure cheap but that is hard (and maybe only possible in software).
I duck-duck-go'd for a source and happened upon this article from 2015 :)
https://www.flexport.com/blog/does-apple-ship-iphones-by-air...
Along the way, there are a bunch of other assertions that serve as prerequisites, like the idea that these companies can cultivate better employee loyalty and plan for longer horizons.
How much do we know about how true that is, though? Do privately-owned companies disproportionately survive these sorts of events historically?
How the market speculation on the value of a company can affect its resiliency ? If tomorrow everyone sold Apple stock for 1 cent, why would Apple the company care ? Same revenue, same costs. Give me a break with the importance of the stock casino.
That is in contrast to me and everyone else who just gamble collectively.
For example, to buy some company to improve their business. They can do that in cash or they can issue more shares, e.g. with their Beats acquisition.
> On May 28, 2014, Apple officially announced its intention to acquire Beats Electronics for $3 billion—with $400 million to be paid in Apple stock and the remainder in cash.
If Apple crashed to 1 cent it would gut the entire market. Even just that crash alone, the amount of money wiped out, retiree savings etc., other companies would be valued lower and then the mass selloff would crush them as well.
Apple may not need to 'raise money now' but it very well could in the future - and - every company is somewhat of a proxy for every other company.
If there is no ROI, there is no investment, and there is no economy outside the government, it's that simple.
Taxes on unrealized gains are a separate thing, and probably a bad idea - just contemplate that they would have to be paired with tax-sheilds on unrealized losses as well. Due to speculation, it would open up the door to all sorts of shenanigans.
It's just a bad idea all around.
Elon Musk is a 'paper zillionaire' that's very, very different than someone with a zillion in the bank.
There are probably some very boring, old, already established ideas for increasing taxes on the ultra-wealthy that would probably work very well. Including getting rid of loopholes etc..
1) The market value of a company is true, aka the owners of this company must be taxed for the real value growth in their portfolio (since it constitutes income), even if they do not sell
2) It’s a casino, a share is just a ticket that may worth nothing or a billion. In that case we don’t need tax protections. The owners of the tickets must be taxed only when they cash out. The governments should actively disincentivize gambling into this and ensure the pensions of its citizens by funding public projects and enabling future growth.
You cannot have it both ways.
But nobody wants this because we all know it’s pure speculation. That is why we call it “unrealized gains”.
If everyone tomorrow tries to cash out their Apple stock, except from the first few, all the rest will get 1 cent each. There is no value in these tickets, just the power of combined speculation.
There is such great risk in that to create self-serving definitions that the industry as a whole decided these terms needed standardization and definition.
Now we already have these standards, so let's just stick with them and all use the same meaning of "income" rather than switching to something based on personal intuition. If you want to change the tax code, change the tax code, don't try to redefine "income".
We 'don't want it' to be taxed because it doesn't make sense.
Also, you'd have to provide a tax shield for the losses as well.
There are so many things wrong with taxing on 'mark to market value'.
We can barely get away with it in real estate, but that market acts more rationally, and most of it is about rent extraction.
Not really. My car is losing 10% of its value each year but nobody is returning me the sales tax I paid for the full price. Let alone returning me some of lost value.
Why if your stock depreciates do I have to compensate you?
Personally I believe that your claimed cars value is speculative since you don’t mass produce and sell it widely. As a result, it makes no sense to tax you for the unrealized gains.
When you actually find a loser to buy it for the asking higher price then you should be taxed for your lottery earnings.
Some states and countries actually do tax personal property like cars. Virginia and Rhode Island, for example.
In those jurisdictions, if you have a vintage car in 2021 worth $100k, then you pay $100k * TAX_RATE in 2021. If the value of your car jumps up to $200k in 2022 (due to a movie or something), then you pay $200k * TAX_RATE in 2022. As long as the property is still in your possession, you pay property tax on it.
Can you imagine if your Tesla was deemed to have a market value of 2x what you bought it for, because a few random idiots were trying to buy it up?
And you had a gigantic tax bill on that?
Unrealized gains are not gains.
What 'someone else' is willing to pay for your property isn't necessarily very well related to how you value it.
It might possibly work for real estate in controlled conditions but even then it's risky. For equities, it's really hard to have an asset tax.
Property tax taxes an asset that doesn't move, literally and figuratively. Before financial markets exploded, and especially in agrarian societies like the United States at its founding, a property tax was effectively a wealth tax. (It still is a wealth tax, technically speaking, it just no longer reaches the wealth of the richest in society.)
> In what intervals would you do this?
In whatever interval you'd like. Presumably yearly. But don't companies have to "mark-to-market" for their quarterly reports?
> Your bank account would go to zero.
This is already the case with inflation, very deliberately so.
I can't say I'm a fan of a wealth tax. And in any event I don't think it'll ever happen in the U.S. But the reasons for disliking a wealth tax are more complicated than the above.
well, if you follow this logical conclusion, why are you not taxing a baby because the baby's value is the future income of that person's job. Sure, it's unrealized, but you're still considering it income even though it's unrealized.
If you are certain that your baby this year is bringing home tangible income due to its TikTok page, then yes tax it.
and yet, the claim originally was that it makes sense on the speculated value of stocks.
> If you are certain that your baby this year is bringing home tangible income due to its TikTok page, then yes tax it.
so tax the dividends, or tax the capital gains that are realized - because those are certain. To own stocks is to speculate.
But if we agree it is a casino, then we should not tax air, only the ones who cash their earnings and walk out of the casino. And goes without saying that we should stop incentivizing people to gamble their money and pensions on this. 401k, Roth and all these need to go.
And, it's ridiculous to try to tax unrealized gains in most situations, it's unfeasible the moment you try t put a policy around it.
It's a non-starter and any attempt at legislating it will fail badly and make the politicos that tried to do it look like clowns.
The tools we already use are much more effective.
The problem would be if tomorrow everyone sold Apple stock for $1000, and the government took that as a reason to tax every Apple shareholder for “income” of over $800 per share in the stock casino, forcing Apple’s current shareholders to divest themselves to new shareholders and hence lose control of the company.
This is a cynical ploy to the part of the populace that can't tell a portfolio from a hole in the ground, and there seem to be surprisingly many of such people.
Also, to address GP's comment - Apple would then buy back all outstanding stock and destroy it, dramatically driving up the share price for folks who haven't sold.
Not really. They'd just print more money.
Given how many Fortune 500 companies have died even in prosperous times since the list started, I’m gonna file this away as “manufacturing consent to maintain the status quo.”
Corporations are not literal machines or organisms. They’re a social acquiescence given the reality of biological need at scale. The logistics are necessary; the behavior is necessary; the ownership angle is propaganda.
That said, this does read like someone with a personal axe to grind, leading to motivated reasoning.
But it's critical to note that the proposal has different rules for privately held stock & real estate. So the tweet author's buried argument doesn't hold water.
I believe those assets would mostly be treated the same as they currently are, e.g. sold or death.
For the 700 or so people who are targeted it basically creates a tax on the collateralized loans they get to avoid selling stock/cap gains in the first place. While not doing that directly, that's the effect of it.
And they get 5 years to pay the initial bill. 23.8% / 5 = 4.7% growth a year to be even (well something like 6 or 7 adding the new annual 23%). Most of these guys will likely generate more on paper profit than and they get deductions for any losses if they don't
It's what pisses me off most about the proposed Purdue Sackler settlement. Giving billionaires such long lead times to pay off fines and taxes allows them make more money than they owe.
The last graph on the WSJ article though says “Smart investment bankers and asset managers are already thinking about how to financially engineer products that will emulate existing stocks but be hard to value”
Check out the 2nd link for Pandora Paper reporting showing one egregious example of how they take advantage of this.
The owner of Nike puts millions of nike stock into a GRAT, which is privately held, and then the government gives that grat a 15% discount before it's passed along to his children.
Shouldn't get tax benefits for something that you claim is harder to sell (privately held stock) when in actuality the assets are 100% publicly traded nike stock.
The Wyden tax bill is a 100 pages long so maybe it goes after some of that crud, but there will always a scheme to lower your taxes.
The book is excellent, one of my favorite econ books, and is Smith's somewhat dense but well-written explanation for and interpretation of economics. His main thesis is that "rationality" is not a "constructivist" property of various agents, being possessed by any (or every) individual separately, but is an "ecological" property that emerges collectively from e.g. the price system, organization of firms and other economic relations.
His argument about profit-maximizing firms proceeds almost exactly along the lines of this tweetstorm, but goes further. Why would Wall Street want to reward companies that fail to be robust to changes? Are there other structural problems (the law? regulatory regime? bailouts? monopoly?) that cause CEOs and Wall Street actors to be collectively "irrational" as we are seeing today with JIT-everything?
IMHO, the problem is political-economic. Finance has arrived at this equilibrium of asset price insanity and phony accounting because the regulatory regime and state actions as a whole (e.g. bailouts) are entirely out of whack – the system has no working feedback mechanisms at the moment, so the economy is in a real sense failing. How did the state fail? Partly in response to demands from powerful & wealthy entities on e.g. Wall Street.
All of this funny stuff is mostly people trying everything they can to get capital gains instead of income so they can pay a 25% tax rate instead of a 39% tax rate. When you're talking about billions of dollars - 14% is a lot of money.
From the perspective of the average person - the tax code probably makes sense. If you already pay 39% tax on your income, and THEN you have to pay 39% on your capital gains and half of your capital gains are actually just inflation - it's like you're getting taxed on your tax! True inflation has likely been ~4% since 2008. The S&P average is ~7.25% per year. So half of the "capital gains" the ordinary index fund investor would pay are just inflation.
But the .1% are different. You don't make it into the .1% with a ~7.25% return and a laborer's salary. You need to be making ~30%+ returns for decades. Or, ~10,000% for a few years (a lot of the successful VC-funded entrepreneurs).
Half of their capital gains aren't inflation. Barely any of it are. Effectively, there tax rate is ridiculous low compared to the average Joe.
And what's worst - the Fed is causing so much of that inflation. Would Tesla be a $1.1T company today if the Fed wasn't pumping up asset prices, lowering interest rates, and making future cash-flows absurdly and artificially valuable? No. And yet, Elon Musk gets to make $100Bn on paper - and he can take loans against those gains with <3% interest and never pay ANY taxes.
It really seems like this is a completely separate world - and it's >30% of US wealth - and it should be dealt with separately.
0.1% doesn't pay 25%. That's well documented. I don't know what the effective rate is, but averaged out over multiple years it's probably somewhere around 5% and then another few % that's spent on avoidance (not taxes). Maybe 10% at most.
Just look up Bezos or Musk's tax return. Same with Buffett.
How does one measure "true inflation?" I am sympathetic to the idea that inflation is nearly unmeasurable, but not the idea that "true inflation" was happening when it clearly, obviously was not.
> And what's worst - the Fed is causing so much of that inflation.
The Fed causes all inflation (at least in the US – Europeans have the EU central bank and Britishers have the Bank of England). Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon.
It's greed. I'm not religious or spiritual, but I am really talking about a serious psychological/spiritual disease that has infected our society. It's not just about getting enough to survive, or even enough to thrive, but there are so many actors out there out to get as much as possible that they simply cannot be satisfied anymore. Their stomachs are bottomless pits.
How else can you possibly explain multiple individuals being worth more than $200 billion (Sixty. Thousand. Lifetimes. Of Wealth), and yet it is not enough for them. They must command huge empires, the boards of which must "motivate" them with more money. These people have serious psychological problems. Like, please, just disappear to your islands and enjoy the rest of your short lives, please!
The entire world economy has been just one massive casino, one huge get-rich-quick scheme. And TV too. Fame and fortune without working for it, getting famous with no talent or skills. Think of how many millions and billions of people worldwide have been programmed to think they can and should be millionaires and that it can happen at the drop of a hat?
And now, a CEO has 1000x the pay of a median worker. They're all mini warlords, their plunder is bullshit bonuses and hollowing out business after business. A huge pump-and-dump scheme.
Just a couple decades ago, people dreamed of simpler lives. Plumbers, electricians, doctors, lawyers, engineers, small business owners. People dreamed of a kitchen renovation and saved up money for years to afford a new garage or that nice car at retirement. They couldn't imagine becoming YouTube starts or overnight millionaires because of some reality TV show or viral video.
Everything is fucked and it's because everyone thinks they are getting rich tomorrow. It's a mad dash to grab as much as possible, and people don't even enjoy the stuff they do have!
Society is sick and decades of neglect are coming due; the blighted pillars are crumbling.
> Just a couple decades ago, people dreamed of simpler lives. Plumbers, electricians, doctors, lawyers, engineers, small business owners.
Please. The Roaring 20's? The Gilded Age, anyone?
Things are bit different now. The economy is global, human impact on the planet is global and massive. We are beyond its carrying capacity and are quickly expending its energy reserves. But that's a different conversation.
None of us were alive in the "roaring 20s", but I will point out that that was very localized to east coast cities. Trust me, there were no roaring twenties out on the prairie.
The only significant example I can think of is the car market. If you sold or didn't have a car pre-pandemic then getting one now is going to be expensive both new and used. Then again I have scene dozens of used cars sitting in parking lots (w/o license plates and with old car rental decals) so I'm starting to think there is some scalping going on in that market as well.
I had hoped that by now things would have eased up, but if anything it is worse than the start of the year.
Many electronics components are majorly supply constrained right now, is isn't just silicon components, passives also have shortages everywhere.
Daily necessities are doing fine and most products aren't completely unavailable, but prices & lead times are increasing. There's a finite amount of time that can continue though... if companies can't get new delivery trucks or locomotive engines then eventually that will have a significant impact.
FWIW some companies have managed things much better. Our new Tesla Model Y was delivered in a bit under three months. Compared to what some auto makers are doing that's a miracle.
A certain type of adapter (3/4 inch to 1/2 inch) used to attach modern washing machines to older water lines is completely sold out in every store on a 50km range from my house, no-one knows when it'll restock. All other sizes are fine.
Keeping inventory down is one easy way to maximize the profit as you aren't accounting for unused inventory. While it is correct that this is risky in case of supply chain bottlenecks, holding lots of inventory isn't a good solution either, because the company is now holding the risk of unsellable inventory should there be an economic downturn and people aren't buying your goods. Either one could easily sink a company.
I don't have a great answer, but after what has happened over the past year, I think the solution has to involve manufacturing be better distributed throughout the planet. You greatly reduce the chances of "once in a century" events preventing your shipment of product if you can shift production elsewhere and rely on a distributed supply chain. This would be better environmentally as well as it would require significantly less shipping if things were manufactured near where they were consumed. The costs of implementing this and the complexity for companies to manage is just too high for this to practically happen.
Yet they did have private equity. I think they key difference is that you can choose to a reasonable degree who your private investors are, where there is no such option with public investors, and public markets tend to be more hostile.
An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29026781
The previous stack:
Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28971226 - Oct 2021 (483 comments)
Flexport CEO on how to fix the US supply chain crisis - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28957379 - Oct 2021 (265 comments)
That's why you can't just flip a switch to turn it off. But what if you stop feeding glass in and wait half a day first?
Many of the processes might require the product is pushed and/or pulled through the machinery. If there is no material behind to push it could cause problems within the machines.
Once the continuous process is broken it needs to be restarted somehow. Depending on the type of production this could be days or weeks of work just to rethread all the material through the machines and getting it going.
Now you've gone in a circle. That's what the original comment was talking about. This subthread is hinged on the idea of that specific problem not happening.
A chip we use in one of our products is made in a semiconductor fab in Malaysia. It's the only place in the world that makes the chip. That fab has been shut down for about 6 months as the nation struggles with COVID. In the meantime, the inventory in the supply chain, and even customer warehouses, has been picked clean by brokers to be re-sold for high-cost applications like cars and industrial equipment.
We've paid as much as $15.00 for that $0.47 chip. One broker offered them for $50.00.
We haven't found any in more than 2 months.
While I agree with you in general terms, I still prefer to think people, at a fundamental level, are good and like to help each other. Yes, I know, silly.
Back then we had second-source agreements. What happened to that concept?
Usually, we manage end of life matters with last time buys, etc. But this wasn't an end of life situation, and frankly, was not anticipated. To solve, we'd need to design alternate chips for all that are used, which is not economically feasible at this point in the product's life cycle (now 20+ years).
We need billionaires like him! Not the other kind! /s
after a very short period of time after a major disruption, there ceases to be a simple cause and the answer rapidly becomes "well, it's the gibbs phenomenon, it's gonna ring for a while now".
Warehouses filled with stuff to be sold. Overproduction. Stuff getting destroyed because it expires or cannot be sold for whatever reason.
We may get there, hopefully only temporary, as a reaction to the current situation. For most companies, the amount paid to the factory in China or elsewhere, is only tiny fraction of the price the product is sold for.
That is why companies now are double or even triple ordering. Most of that stuff will just ending up getting destroyed.
There are 4 parts: primer, powder, bullet and casing. The casing is the most resilient because I can pick them up and reuse them. The bullet is probably the second most resilient, because in a pinch, I can get molds and pick up and melt down lead and make them. The powder is also pretty resilient because there are multiple manufacturers and all kinds of powder per manufacturer that would work, I would just have to adjust the drop (amount) for the new powder. Primers are the least resilient, because it's hard to replace and also competing manufacturers who make pre-assembled cartridges also need them, so I would certainly make sure I had plenty of those.
Of course, even with all that, there's no way of knowing how long the shortage will last. We're going on a year plus now, and who would have anticipated that?
Tim Cook doesn’t have voting control of Apple but it is sitting on a massive shock absorber made of cash earning insanely low rates of return. The idea that you need control of the board to be robust doesn’t seem to be necessary. It is probably helpful but it isn’t necessary.
[0] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150401132856.h...
Long periods of tranquility, leads to fragility. Which, for many reasons (climate change? war? pandemics? disruptive technologies?) is not a good preparation for the near future.
How about worker-owned companies, co-operatives, and collectives? I totally agree the problem is that with the finance people steering the ship there's incentives to push up your short-term performance and collect bonuses and watch your publically-traded stock value go up. So don't go public; use the value an organization creates to pay the people in it, and invest in making it better for those people and the people you serve. The people who have say in the decisions are the ones who are most interested in having the organization continue to be healthy and a good place to work.
There are other ways. We don't even need to imagine them, they've already happened. We just need to resist the siren song of the lottery ticket and instead try to create systems and organizations that we want to be a part of.
The problem with coöperatives is longevity. We have white-collar coöps of sorts: partnerships. They tend to disintegrate after a generation or become quasi-corporations over time because immortal entities can make plans and promises on time scales that ones that grow old and change priorities and die can't.
The John Lewis Partnership in the UK is a public limited company whose shares are entirely owned by a trust that pays shares of profits to all of its employees, which isn't quite "ownership" but close, and they have a $15bn revenue. Publix Super Markets in the US has a $45bn revenue and is privately owned with all employees receiving stock.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/051316/6-succ...
Financing is probably an issue at a certain level but it doesn't seem to be limiting otherwise. They're just unusual, although if you consider startups giving employees a stake isn't that strange today.
Also, LLP is a limited liability partnership. Wholly state entity, though, so the same caveat again. Member limits, etc.
And that's the USA of course. Your country may vary.
Yes, in the US, at least. A coop can be a corporation or LLC (and a coop that is either the former or the latter when taxed as a corporation has special tax status with the IRS, under subchapter T, so occasionally they are referred to as “T corps” analogous to C or S corps.)
This climbing equipment company's stated values are an appealing target to me right now. https://www.totemmt.com/about-us/
Taxes don't apply equally. Taxes are a good thing. Taxes can work.
The idea that we run without buffers in the supply chain is contradicted by his own big idea to use one of them.
We don’t have big warehouses full of inventory sitting around like we used to, true. But we do have the money we generated by running more efficient supply chains, and money is more flexible than outdated inventory.
Edit to add: whether that money is sitting with founders, shareholders, or employees is largely irrelevant from a macro perspective.
Buffers won't solve a long term shortage, but they can prevent a short term shortage from cascading. When the entire global economy is running with minimal buffers, then the effects of supply disruptions can last years, and that problem can't just go away by throwing money at it.
Stockpiling is not a solution to a bottleneck!
In the grand scheme of things, having a couple weeks of extra inventory on hand will not help you weather a 100 year storm. But it will increase waste - inventory that you have to throw away when there are defects or when they become obsolete.
Imagine trying to predict the run on lumber, and the solution was to have kept a bunch of lumber sitting in yards rotting waiting for the off-chance that there was a sudden unexpected demand. The proposal that we should have been shipping over more of everything, building giant strategic stockpiles across the country of everything, and then tossing out 10-15% of everything from storage loss is bonkers.
Just In Time manufacturing reduces waste and improves quality across the board. And stockpiling only hides your bottlenecks!
That's not really what he's saying. It's not about a single company, it's about the whole economy. When every company is running JIT, a small temporary supply disruption anywhere can bubble and propagate through the whole chain, becoming a huge disaster. It's like a traffic jam; when a highway is running right at capacity it only takes one person hitting the brakes to turn the whole thing into a parking lot. Except it's worse than a linear highway because the economy has many backlinks where companies early in the chain rely on companies later in the chain, causing feedback loops. Whereas if there was slack in the system then the relatively small initial shock wouldn't propagate.
When companies kept huge inventories, most of it was not useful to solve the supply chain issues that came up and often made it harder to respond to demand shocks.
In the case of the Port of LA shipping containers, optimizing lot storage so that you always have exactly enough space (100% efficiency) breaks down as soon as that space requirement jumps to 110%.
It breaks down at 100.0001%. At 110% the butterflys wings are flapping and creating storms on the other side of the planet.
https://www.guitarworld.com/features/adam-jones-i-told-gibso...
There are standards for the moisture content in dimensional lumber. It's unlikely lumber yards are going to be selling wood that's outside of the standard ranges. Additionally, some of the soft woods are a PITA to deal with if they get too dry, as they are more prone to cracking when driving fasteners without drilling holes.
Much of the quality issues stem from having cut down most old growth forest and converting these past forests to farmland or suburban yards. The primary source for fir, spruce, and pine these days that are used for dimensional lumber come from managed farms. The trees are only grown as long as needed to harvest certain sizes of lumber. This leaves you with grain running in less than ideal directions and a lot of sapwood instead of heartwood.
To be honest though, most dimensional lumber people complain about is fine for the sort of framing it's used for. It's a lot more efficient to use wood the way we currently do, rather than clear cutting our now very rare old growth forests and producing high quality, wasteful lumber.
Increasing lumber stockpiles isn't going to solve any of these issues.
I mean, the problem is not that we lack transparency, but that we have run out of options to fight the bottlenecks. Having some stockpiles as buffers would be one options to fight the problem.
The status quo with supply chains and manufacturing is there for a reason, silicon in particular reflects its boom bust cycle as well as the absurd costs of CapEx.
I think people are reaching when they table the hypothesis that current supply chain issues are due to mistakes or mismanagement of some middle manager, in some corporation somewhere.
Maybe, just maybe, the cost of having a bunch of spare infrastructure for a once in a lifetime rearrangement of the supply chain due to Covid isn't worthwhile?
Very few people _need_ to have their new GPU or PS5 right now.
In addition, the supply chain problems are not just about chips. To my knowledge, they affect nearly every product that is being produced in the far east (China, Bangladesh, etc.). A few weeks ago I wanted to buy a blue suit and I got lucky: I could choose from a wide range of exactly one suit.
So yes, who cares about suits? But I wonder which essential things are unavailable currently.
This has the advantage that you already have industries that have capacity that can scale up. You have people trained who can train others. You already have equipment and facilities to which you can add to to break a bottleneck.
Basically, vertical integration at the country level.
Of course, this is the CEO of a shipping startup so that solution isn't on his plate of possibilities.
For example:
>The proper way to do accounting is Next in First Out (NIFO). This means you price your goods against the cost of replenishment.
NIFO isn't GAAP which is why it's largely pointless.
The fact that my home state billed us an Inventory tax on items we had on the shelf further pushed the business to keep inventory as slim as possible.
Also, low-volume items like aircraft carriers are probably a bad example. Aircraft carriers are ordered and built in small, specific quantities; I think it makes more sense to account for building a single aircraft carrier as a construction project rather than as a unit of mass production. Almost like you were building a small airport, thousands of units of housing, and a nuclear power plant.
For example, almost every successful company is valued at some multiple of book equity, because book equity doesn't (and shouldn't, and can't) incorporate any notion of growth. Tesla's book value per share is something like $27/share, which reflects the cars it has sold and the ones in process. It trades at $1077, which reflects hopes for cars that it will sell.
LIFO and FIFO are just book accounting methods for tracking costs of production. They tell financial statement readers how management puts the cost of unit production into inventory values on the balance sheet, and how inventory values are translated into Cost Of Goods Sold on the income statement. They really aren't the right basis for business decisions like pricing or production.
I don't know what he means by "companies now use FIFO or LIFO accounting" as if this is some innovation. These have been the _only_ choices under GAAP for . . . a century? Longer? Letting companies use Next In First Out for financial statements would be inviting management to manipulate its balance sheet and earnings through its cost assumptions. Of course a company will use up-to-date cost information for pricing decisions, but they've always done that.
Accounting is really a language of its own. It provides a lot of useful information, but you have to know how to use it and what to use it for.
Freightwaves has good coverage of this issue.[2] Comments from people who are working to fix the problem.
There's a startup working on this, "Container-Xchange".[3] They're trying to connect people with empties with people who want containers. Their site is funny to read, because it's designed like a B2C site, aimed at a B2B industry. "100% free and no credit card required". "Grow your network in container logistics." You can just see the VC pitch deck: "Uber for containers". Their competitor, MatchBox [4], seems to be further along. At least their list of partners includes major shipping lines. But they're still thinking B2C. "5 free bookings for referring one person".
What they're both trying to do is create something like the settlements system US railroads have for boxcars, which makes them mostly interchangeable regardless of who owns them. But those startups are working from a position of far less strength than the Association of American Railroads. The startups have to get container owners and users to sign up, and there are lots of players. Even then they mostly make bilateral swaps. One outcome of this empty container mess may be some major ports saying "look, you want to park an empty at this port, you have to sign up with the settlements system so we can send it out".
[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/10/17/port-huenemep...
[2] https://www.freightwaves.com/news/viewpoint-la-empty-contain...
Runaway inflation looks like a supply problem at first, as shelves are emptied by the huge amount of money in the economy chasing the goods available. The price increases are a supply side response to demand being higher than can be supply can keep up with.
Please feel free to downvote this and insist that inflation is a myth as is usual on HN.
Add lockdowns and changing, unpredictable consumption patterns (e.g buying more cars against all predictions because who wants public transport now?) and you get the perfect storm.
You could hold a years worth of inventory and you’d still have a problem.
Why would we expect there to be a perfect equilibrium immediately?
Given the 'hundred year crisis', I think we have fared relatively well from a purely economic point of view... So, yes, some problems may exist but I think we have witnessed a surprisingly resilient system, given how optimized everything is and how unprecedented the issue is.
I don't know if a slight price increase in graphics cards is the key issue to worry about at this point.
Keeping tons of spare capacity is neither economical nor environmentally friendly. Also, it would probably only shift the problem elsewhere.
There's no reason to think this is over yet. We might just be getting started.
There go our semiconductors, this time for real.
We know what the system looked like before, and post-pandemic, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't return to that state. Aside from some ongoing pandemic measures, by and large, we should see things mostly settle into the system that already works.
It's just going to take some time to clear. In the meantime, most things are working well enough.
Much of the inflation we are seeing is a function of 12 years of mass money printing and pandemic response, if it were not for that, the pricing issue wouldn't be so acute.
If there is a 'new normal' it will due to monetary issues - the adjustments in supply chains I think will be incremental, with a few strategic changes i.e. TSMC in Austin etc..
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigations_into_the_origin...
or more likely, it happens, but because of prior experience, the event is no longer as calamitous as the first time.
Looking at the GFC in 2008, the monetary policy back then was too tight (hindsight 20/20 and all that of course), causing the recession to be extended longer than it would've.
This covid disaster would've caused a similar problem, imho, if the Feds did not loosen up like never before. It "solved" that same problem the GFC produced. Had the GFC not occured, the pandemic would cause a double wammy - a medical problem, and also a monetary problem.
Sure, it affects everything and given the complex interconnections and dependencies within production chains / networks, the cause-and-effect relationships are hard to understand and cause for concern. But given how complex and decentralized things are, I am still amazed we haven't seen worse effects (yet). I doubt that spare capacity in logistics alone would make a huge difference, because you'd also need spare parts, materials and manufacturing capacity, all of which are part of the same network.
The spiral is in its early innings right now. Hold on tight!
They check real-time shipping costs and choose the cheaper option. It takes a few dollars worth of cardboard to turn a shipping container into a suitable container for corn or soybean shipping (really!).
The price increase in graphics cards isn't related to this.
GMs trouble selling cars because they don't have enough chips to finish off the cars is a problem related to the pandemic and planning like the posts on Twitter note. The lack of new cars available has driven up prices on used cars. This is all supply chain driven.
> how unprecedented the issue is.
How unprecedented is it? In the last 130 years there have been two world wars and two global pandemics.
The US has now outsourced most of the production of goods to places in other countries. So, if something changes there (like the mask issues we had early in the pandemic) we have limitations here. And then there is the changes in posture of China where many of our things are manufactured. It wouldn't be unheard of, historically speaking, for that to impact businesses in the future.
I think that is the point (or one of the points): it's not just logistics and spare capacity - it's a much more complex set of issues.
This isn't something accounting practices or "less greed" would solve, as seems to be implied in the Twitter thread.
Would you have voted for a party that spent $1b annually on mask manufacturing subsidies for masks nobody even bought? Who could have foreseen that demand spike?
Are you seriously trying to say that production being moved to China, et al. is not because of greed generally, and ROE specifically?
There is only so much discrepancy in prices that global markets will allow before buyers start rewarding the lower priced sellers for taking advantage of the arbitrage.
I would have voted for a party with a program of "bring the manufacture of strategically crucial items back to the US and make it robust". This seems like it would even be Republican "bread and butter" and I don't see why either party had an issue with it.
i think a lot of people would not want such a subsidy.
The entire industrial capacity of USA, country of 300 million people, could produce zero Meltblown, so it could make zero masks. Do you think it's acceptable?
People talk about conflict with China while we depent on them for toilet paper to wipe out butts, it's like a mentall ilness.
Many people did (only at the $450MM level/annually). It was considered standard practice to have the federal government purchase large quantities of N95 masks to have in case of an emergency. GWB started the program, and Obama distributed 100,000,000 masks during the H1N1 crisis from the stockpile. I will say that restocking the pile took a cut after 2010, Congress cut its funding and Obama's team didn't fight for it. And what funding they did get didn't seem to get prioritized into masks.
China & Co. did a big over-correction during the start of the pandemic, and that put a lot of things into chaos.
You now have chip speculators entering the foray, jacking up prices, not very helpful in letting the market clear.
10% padding in US operations I don't think would have made up for anything, the problems exist in shipping and on key/acute issues from the suppliers in Asia really.
I don't think it's reasonable to imply 'We should build all the stuff here to avoid delays during 1 in 50 years pandemics'.
I'm not blaming so much as pointing out that's where the underlying issues are.
Of course exacerbated by other things.
I think working out solutions to transportation, buyers paying for things like guarantees, plant and supply chain risk analysis etc. will become a thing now.
CEOs will hire consultants and firms to measure the likelihood in supply chain failure and make ammends.
I actually think we'll get adapt past most of this.
Delays on intercontinental shipping and lack of availability of a few durable goods is a perfectly fine price to pay on that frequency. Optimizing to surviving a global pandemics without any problem would be ridiculous expensive.
Yes, specifically on the subject of cars, the manufacturers seem to be accepting way more risk than what is sensible. But that's their decision to make. If they were just left to face the costs of their decisions, they would stop making bad ones quite quickly.
(By the way, there were 2 flu pandemics similar or worse than this one on the last 100 years. That's one more than you are counting.)
I count 13 global pandemics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Chronology
Let me count again, while leaving out relatively minor pandemics like Zika:
* Fifth cholera pandemic
* Third plague pandemic (multiple outbreaks are listed)
* Sixth cholera pandemic
* 1915 encephalitis lethargica pandemic
* Spanish flu
* 1957-58 "Asian flu"
* Seventh cholera pandemic
* 1968-70 "Hong Kong flu"
* 1977 Russian flu
* HIV/AIDS pandemic
* 2009-10 swine flu
* COVID-19
That's 12 and doesn't count stuff like Zika, SARS, or MERS. It also doesn't count any of the Ebola epidemics.
I don't know if cases or deaths are a good proxy for expected supply chain impact. SARS, for instance, had relatively few cases and deaths because it mostly broke out in well-functioning developed East Asian countries that were capable of responding to it effectively, but those same countries have outsized effects on global supply chains.
An epidemic usually starts within a particular country and if it becomes a pandemic it will grow rapidly and spread to other countries, but the WHO definitions are only based on the number of cases compared to normal and how fast the number of cases is rising.
It is not deadly global pandemics that are unprecedented, it’s the lockdown response to them that is.
One rationale behind the push for global integration after WW2 and later on with China and the former Soviet Bloc was the idea that such integration would create incentives against a resurgence of war between great powers. It is precisely because another world war would be so disruptive in light of global economic integration that global integration was promoted and pursued in the first place by many policy makers—in order to make such wars less likely to occur.
I suppose the thinking was that the obvious downside—that if a great-power war were to occur, the global economy would be in shambles—was irrelevant given that another world war would likely amount to Armageddon.
In other words, preparing for the contingency of a world war is worse than useless, because the only viable path (both from a utilitarian and from a moral perspective) is to do what is most effective to prevent the occurrence of such a war (which pursuant to this line of thinking includes, of course, making significant investments in defense).
> One rationale behind the push for global integration after WW2 and later on with China and the former Soviet Bloc was the idea that such integration would create incentives against a resurgence of war between great powers. It is precisely because another world war would be so disruptive in light of global economic integration that global integration was promoted and pursued in the first place by many policy makers—in order to make such wars less likely to occur.
That's a topic explored a bit in The Interdependency Series by John Scalzi. I found it am amusing read (and actually liked Wil Wheaton as a narrator for it... though not everyone agrees on that point).
The teaser for the first book of the series:
> Our universe is ruled by physics, and faster-than-light travel is not possible - until the discovery of The Flow, an extradimensional field we can access at certain points in space-time that transports us to other worlds, around other stars.
> Humanity flows away from Earth, into space, and in time forgets our home world and creates a new empire, the Interdependency, whose ethos requires that no one human outpost can survive without the others. It's a hedge against interstellar war - and a system of control for the rulers of the empire.
> One rationale behind the push for global integration after WW2 and later on with China and the former Soviet Bloc was the idea that such integration would create incentives against a resurgence of war between great powers.
i wonder what the recent resurgence of nationalism and "us vs them" thinking plays into this...is it possible that our global economic system, international relations etc are not yet evolved enough to keep such a system functioning stably (in geo-political terms)?
The US has clearly emerged as the one superpower in the aftermath of the soviet dissolution. But China has now emerged as a potential competitor to the superpower status (they've basically replaced the soviets in this model). They haven't yet reached the same level, but will soon according to all modeling and prediction.
I do believe that it is the US's hope, in the clinton administration, to have china's market economy open up, and thus, allow western "democratic" culture seep in (ala, like japan and korea - but without having a war to start with). This certainly, and clearly has failed now. China do not want to be "subservient" to the US superpower like the other westernized asian nations.
So this was a once ever event.
It's stunning how much knowledge and wisdom has been lost about simple things like how to deal with plagues. This is not a new thing facing humanity.
Nuclear war is also a once-ever event, so wr shouldn't worry about it,right?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/pandemic-could-mean-260-mi...
I'm very confident the real numbers of starved people since then is vastly lower.
* There some things that are people simply need for survival. At a certain point, having no spare capacity and cascading failures means people die. Lack of masks last arguably killed people last year.
* It's quite possible to excess capacity and be good to the environment while present production is often terrible despite the lack of excess capacity.
* Sure, a complete lack of excess capacity is economical. Which is the OP's point in different words. Robustness to failure has been traded for immediate returns.
I think that was the least of the problem. At the beginning of the pandemic in the US, hospitals, nursing homes, and many other companies would not allow their workers to bring in their own PPE. This continued for upwards of six months. Several outbreaks occurred in my area because management refused to allow their workers to use PPE. Fast food operators also had several outbreaks because they were not testing their employees temperatures until it was far too late.
As late as April, we had dental offices across the country refusing to allow receptionists to wear masks. Same went for supermarkets and restaurants. Upwards of 30% of lives could have been saved if corporate and management hadn’t setup major roadblocks for worker protections. One of the most common arguments I heard was, “we don’t want the customer to see our people behind a mask”. For companies, this wasn’t a pandemic with real health risks, this was a front-facing visibility problem for the organization. These people should all lose their jobs for the suffering they caused.
Covid was essentially "Sars II". If Sars1 had had the qualities needed to be a world wide epidemic, we'd be looking 10-100x the casualties. Sars1 happened a decade ago. Calling this a "hundred year crisis" seems wholly disingenuous. This event was forecast by quite a few people, the world was terribly unprepared and there's every reason to think the same factors that created this virus will create others much sooner than a hundred years from now.
Viruses conform to the distribution of deadliness-vs-reproduction rate. For Sars 1 to spread widely, it has to be less deadly. There are limits to how a virus can both be deadly and contagious.
But just a tidbit on this statement.
That leaves out the whole question of incubation time. The scary thing about COVID is that it gives you several days to a week or more to walk around spreading the infection before you even know you have it.
That's why the reaction in the public health sector was so dramatic. It was the sort of thing that could have easily been much worse than it has turned out to be.
And it's still only one or two mutations away from living up to the worst-case fears: a seriously-deadly virus that spreads all over the world before anyone knows what's happening. One that large sectors of the population have already been preconditioned to deprecate or ignore.
That's a fine rule of thumb but not something to literally bet your life on. When smallpox was introduced to North America, it wiped out a substantial percentage of the population of the continent (This [1] claims 90%, which might be much but it was a lot).
[1] https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html
Also, a lot of governments did take suitable precautions in case Covid was more like the original SARS early on and just got flak for it. This was particularly visible here in the UK, where Public Health England and the government had already planned for another SARS or MERS-like virus and introduced really aggressive testing and contact tracing early on in case this was it. They just got attacked in the press for not continuing that once it became clear this wasn't like SARS and it wouldn't work - and then once they gave in and reintroduced testing and contact tracing as a measure, they were attacked again because (predicatably) it wasn't that effective and the media fuelled endless badly-informed conspiracy theories about the testing and contact tracing program only existing to funnel money to their pals.
I was with him throughout, until this. Here it seems, also for him, his personal interest gets in the way of rational problem solving. He may be a hero for helping solve a problem, but he is still human: just another tax-exempted billionaire business owner, no problem here.
JIT requires excess capacity by definition. Response time of a process running at 100% utilization is unbounded, which is the opposite of JIT.
> Only founder led companies and family owned businesses can stand up to the immense pressure from the dogmas of modern finance.
This observably does not compute. Unless those family owned businesses are the size of Samsung or comparable, they can rarely afford to invest so much in their prime, much less so now. Founder-led and family businesses seem to be the huge collateral damage in this clusterfuck. Or am I wrong? Are those businesses not hit with transportation growing expensive AF and energy shortages just as bad? Do they have enough lobbying power that their government simply will not let them drown one way or another?
On the other hand, people enter positions they believe will benefit them.
Or, perhaps we're just looking at it the wrong way. Nature has epidemics, hurricanes, droughts, forest fires. Maybe a recession every 20 years is an economic forest fire clearing away the dead brush, and a collapse of global infrastructure is just a global logistics drought. Sure, companies collapse, people's lives are thrown to the wind. But nature's cruel, right?
I would love to see the corporate equivalent of a pandemic, let the weak die off and the strong continue on. Sadly that isnt what happens. The weak become zombies, propped up by government money out of fear of the weak being killed off.
What caused all the supply chains bottlenecks?
Hard Left: "It's the fault of *capitalism*!"
Hard Right: "It's the fault of *unions*!"
Soft Left: "Truckers don't have a living wage!"
Soft Right: "We stopped producing because of lockdowns!"
Greens: "It's *climate change* disrupting the economy!"
Libertarians: "*Government mismanagement of ports!*"
YIMBYs: "*Zoning laws don't allow stacking!*"
De-regulators: "*AB 5 bans independent operator trucks!*"
Taleb: "Globalization JIT is *too fragile*!"
Krugman: "Republicans destroyed our infrastructure!"
Montana: "Workers are staying home, collecting unemployment!" (h/t tamaharbor)
Did I miss any explanation? I need to start collecting these.Full Disclosure: I have no idea what the causes of the port bottlenecks are, but it's a great launching pad for talking about all of these issues.
It's not just the port mind you - the whole logistics system is straining.
Broadly, too few workers to move too many things and a heavy reliance on "just in time" manufacturing techniques.
Like the ports are just one component of the issue, so are labor shortages at domestic manufacturers, overseas manufacturers, disruptions from COVID, and all of these things interplaying with one another.
We went from a self optimizing system, that had some risk of someone having too much of something, to a highly optimized system where there was no slack in the system - largely in the name of saving money - if there is less inventory on the shelf, there is less sitting on the balance book, and less that needs financing. Furthermore moving the kind of manufacturing overseas that we have, has increased fragility, both because because it adds obvious choke points - and because it's components that we've moved, so now the ports break down, and it takes 4 months to get a new car.
Companies may increase their buffers for a while, but the market will punish them and they'll move back towards their pre-covid behavior in short order. You can write all the blog posts you want about it, but without incentives and rules nothing changes.
This might be the worst sentence I have ever read.
Most businesses I know tend to strive for growing market share and revenue. They are even willing to run the business in the red for that.
It's hard to find someone loyal to their employer. The only loyal low level workers that I know they work in the public sector or NGO. Is this a usual feeling in other countries?
I'd say that business schools have been for the past few decades teaching that management has to be outright militantly hostile towards any employee, going through great lengths to work them to death and drop them at the drop of a hat.
Thus, these people have been leading by example on how everything and everyone is replaceable, even creating and validating the temp agency industry as a legitimate employer, and once the lessons on how everyone and everything is replaceable are applied by employees towards employers... We have a crisis?
Not really. The US military is renowned for providing soldiers with a social security safety net that's unthinkable for the US's general population, encompassing healthcare, higher education and even social services.
It's getting more challenging to not interpret the destruction of independent business (such as owner operators of trucks, retail, restaurants and bars, and other policies) as an intentional soft-dekulakization of western economies, which is a necessary step in an old playbook. It would be helpful toward demonstrating a better explanation if there were some other economic factor that has appeared in the last year that was not just clumsy application of policy.
When everyone is going through pain, people don't put too much blame in one person. If every country is losing people to the virus, people seem willing to not punish a government that loses a lot of people. If every company is suffering from supply-chain issues, wall street will not necessarily put special onus on a particular company, saving a company's leadership from embarrassment. That said, certain sectors do seem to be hit - Apple's recent miss vs Microsoft, for example.
He clearly misunderstands the relationship between accounting and pricing goods. Companies price goods to maximize profits.
I doubt companies routinely try to pay extra taxes to make their accounting books look better. Companies still try to pay as little tax as they can. Maybe they do it when they hit an IPO to get a better initial prices but usually more goes into valuation of a company than their GAAP accounting sheet.
The only good point he almost touches on is determining who should bear the risk on a 100 year flood event, the company or the consumer. With JIT, the consumer bears more risk in the supply chain. It's not seen if this is actually a bad thing.
Lastly, his whole shtick seems to be centered around being against the billionaires tax. Sorry Ryan Petersen, Founders don't provide extra stability to the supply chain because they are more conservative.
Are the billionaire founders actually better--on a societal level--than the "Wall Street sharks" he's complaining about?
More detail, but that's a propaganda article.
Modern finance with its obsession with "Return on Equity."
With a more robust economic system not so beholden to return on equity, this may not have happened even given the pandemic. Without such a robust system, other proximate triggers can cause similar effects.My industry (international freight) is hemorrhaging people left and right in "the great resignation", COVID outbreaks at ports and facilities have been shutting specific facilities down on and off for almost 2 years, cargo containers aren't moving from ocean ports because there aren't any chassis to be had, Suez canal, weather, etc. etc. , so on and so forth.
Not "Return on Equity".
It's clear enough that the pursuit of ROE incentivizes stripping excess capacity in the short term. But NIFO vs LIFO accounting is a small insignificant detail of this, and the claim that founder-led businesses are fundamentally different doesn't pass the sniff test.
First there are many businesses in logistics that are founder-led or privately controlled by founder families, from Walmart to Maersk. If founder control was really critical to setting up a business to weather a 100-year storm, you'd have expected the logistics industry to fare pretty well.
There are also plenty of industries that had to deal with massive demand spikes and did not end up being long term bottlenecks, in spite of being pretty brutally managed by markets, like grocery supplies or telecom and internet access providers.
The main difference IMO is the growth orientation. In tech there was already a large expectation of strong long-term demand growth, so there was already a structure in place to deal with capacity growth. Industries that did not have this expectation, like maritime transportation and port infrastructure, do not have the ability to start increasing the capacity on a dime.
When the profit growth expectation isn't there, evidence is the private founder businesses don't invest either. I would believe the argument more of I heard a lot more of the likes of Bezos, Gates, Page, Musk etc. investing their private money into the kind of massive infrastructure upgrades needed to solve the world's logistics bottlenecks. Until then I call BS on the argument that we should just wait for them to invest their money to solve it.
Governments might as well take it and upgrade infrastructure if the money's just parked. With the modern "golden share" structures, that shouldn't actually take a lot of control away from founders...
Take for instance providers' backlogs. Anyone having studied process scheduling knows how the size of your tasks, precedence, interruptibility, number of processors, and scheduling algorithm make a huge difference. The covid disruption affected all those factors.
We operated with little head room in a very very big system for a long time without these issues, and the major change was online shopping, which really took off during the pandemic.
This worked, mostly because there was suddenly slack in the system to accommodate this changed purchasing pattern, caused by a slow-down in practically everything else.
Now that the everything else is back online though, there is massive contention for space on ships etc, so retailers hoard more in warehouses, and that backs up into container yards, and then into the parking lot at the dock.
Adding more capacity in the middle (stacking some containers) doesn't do anything to materially solve this problem.
https://www.census.gov/retail/mrts/www/data/pdf/ec_current.p...
Not every system is a critical system, not all systems require spare capacity.
Except the COVID pandemic is probably not a 1 in 100 year event, the last SARS epidemic was less than 20 years ago (and fortunately was not as disruptive as the current one). I wouldn't be surprised if the next one is within a decade. And we've done little to prepare for it.
These posts raise some interesting points I hadn't thought about (I don't see any problem with Next-in accounting). But it seems that lack of inventory isn't the only problem, throughput at ports is also an issue, and the ports themselves are limited at what changes they can make to fix these issues, partly due to profits (no one will want to operate a huge port that's profitable 5% of the time), but also partly due to limits put on ports and shipping by the government.
People during the pandemic didn't just learn that their toilet paper is delivered just on time, people learned that's how their friends and family are organized. The amount of people who were basically alone during the last two years with no actual communal support if there even is still such a thing as a community at all was staggering.
The founder of flexport thinking that giving founders more control isn't exactly surprising but misses the point that the problem he's talking about has already infiltrated just about everything.
I have lived in a major city when all the country's truck drivers went on strike and supermarket shelves were empty within a day. I can tell you that was an all together different feeling. Of course truckers would probably not have let the population starve, but it showed me how fragile life in a big city really is. Not getting my new car delivered on time because of a chip shortage is extremely low in the range of potential bad outcomes.
People are saying "why didn't we buffer up more" ? Well, there we go. Play Factorio. You'll see just how bad buffers are in a simulated factory.
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In contrast, if you buffered up... you end up running out of Iron 10 hours ago. Then your buffers deplete and you're back in the same position, except you've built out your supply chain to be even more fragile than before (because you had an additional 10 hours of expansion).
What oversupply?
Every chip that was allocated to cars has been used to make more cars. Saving up more chips in 2020, 2019, or 2018 would have only resulted in fewer cars being built compared to today.
A shortage in real life causes critical issues for real people. A shortage in Factorio does not.
An iron shortage in Factorio causes my iron plates to run out. My iron plates feed the steel furnaces. The steel furnaces build ammo. My ammo is automatically belted to my defensive garrisons. Then the bugs completely wipe out my base, because I was out of ammo.
Going backwards: Understanding why I'm out of ammo requires me to understand why I'm out of steel, which requires me to understand why I'm out of iron, which requires me to walk over to the mines and realize the mine is out.
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Now lets see what happens with buffers.
Understanding why I'm out of ammo: wait, I'm not out of ammo. I've got thousands of ammo buffered up right now. As such, I don't fix the problem for 2 or 3 hours.
2 or 3 hours later: my ammo runs out. I then begin the process of figuring out that I'm out of iron. When you have buffers, its hard to tell where your bottlenecks are: buffers make it _seem_ like you have plenty of supply, when in reality, the iron mine ran out a long time ago.
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Now look at real life. The same thing happens. Toyota had a large buffer of critical chips so that it could feed its factory for months after the chip shortage started (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-fukushima-anniversa...).
Oh right. Lol, guess what? Woops, Toyota has run out of chips (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/business/toyota-productio...)
> Understanding why I'm out of ammo: wait, I'm not out of ammo. I've got thousands of ammo buffered up right now. As such, I don't fix the problem for 2 or 3 hours.
We don't live in a centrally planned (by a single person) economy where companies are run by simple automation.
Companies are run by people. These people notice when their suppliers are disrupted. They notice when they can't refill their buffers even before the buffers run out. And suppliers of raw materials certainly notice raw material shortages.
We didn't find out about the chip shortage from the article you linked when Toyota's buffer of chips ran out.
What happens if something in the middle breaks and you don't have a buffer? What happens if there is no iron shortage but the steel furnace blows up? Aren't buffers important in such situations?
Okay, lets have two factories that convert 5-iron into 1-steel (Factorio ratio):
* "Buffer Factory": requiring 7000 steel to buffer up / 35000 iron before working at full capacity.
* "JIT Factory" : requires 200 steel to buffer / 1000 iron before working at full capacity.
The JIT-factory can sustain for 5-seconds without any inputs. (Belts in the game pull 40-items per second). The Buffer-factory can sustain for 175 seconds. You're seeing this as a good thing. It is not.
When you hook up a new source of iron to the JIT-factory, it only needs 5-seconds (assuming 5-belts of iron: 200 iron/second) before it starts up to full capacity.
When you hook up a new source of iron to the Buffer-factory, it needs 175 seconds before it goes back into full capacity. (The 175 seconds of buffering "need to be paid" at some point. In the case of Buffer-factories, that payment is done _before_ your end product is even finished).
JIT-factory is more useful. You shutdown when you run out of material (aka: using less electricity. Using fewer resources. Using fewer items).
The Buffer-factory needs 175-seconds to shutdown after running out of material. It also needs 175-seconds of "booting up" once you hook up new sources of material to it. That's electricity you're spending, resources you're using on BUFFERING that's completely a waste.
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Yeah, it sucks to be a worker in the JIT-factory, because your managers want to fire you during these low periods. But you can't deny the underlying efficiency of the strategy. Of course workers want the 175-seconds of buffering periods (aka: to be paid even when the factory is unproductive). But that's short-sighted.
I'm not saying that workers "Deserve" to get screwed here. But fundamentally speaking, the JIT-factory is clearly more efficient. What we need to discuss politically is how to protect the livelihoods of the workers during these periods when supplies run out.
But building systems where you have long periods of "boot up" and "shut down" just so that workers have something to do? That's not useful at all. And anyone who has played Factorio will see this instantly when thinking about buffers.
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Now I don't know the "ratios" of chips to cars. But lets say 100 chips create 1 car for simplicity.
Lets say Ford gets a shipment of 100,000 chips next month. Should Ford build 1000 vehicles? Or should Ford build 500 vehicles (and buffer up 50,000 chips) ??
Think about what the buffer actually means. Obviously, building 1000 vehicles is the answer. The sooner the vehicles are done, the better. The buffer only wastes time and energy.
In real life, factories/farms/hospitals are not designed to agilely shut down and start up again while awaiting inputs, or when there is no demand for the output. Upon a drop in inputs the company goes bankrupt, the crop doesn't get planted, or the patient dies. Upon a drop in demand the company goes bankrupt, the crop gets thrown out, or the travel nurses go elsewhere. Where flexibility in supplies is not an option, the solution is to have a buffer of money (or credit), seed, or medical supplies to smooth out anticipated supply shocks, and we buffer against demand shocks with money/credit, features markets, storage facilities, and some hospital inefficiency.
No.
> I think of a buffer as a system that slowly fills up due to excess capacity greater than demand, which can be drawn down in times when demand exceeds production.
Yes. That's what I mean.
The steel furnaces __use iron__. This means that during the buffering process, the steel furnaces are "saving up iron", and preventing the rest of your factory from using iron.
That is to say: the 35,000 iron you put into the steel furnace __COULD HAVE BEEN USED__ in the yellow-belt portion of your factory, and could have instead made 23333 yellow belts.
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Its not worthwhile to save up 7000 steel (aka: 35,000 effective iron) when that iron could have been used to make _OTHER_ parts of your factory do important things.
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It doesn't matter if you "buffer up" that 35,000 iron slowly, quickly, all at once or over anything. Any such buffering means your "steel portion" has arbitrarily decided that the iron should be saved here, in a box unused. While shortages propagate outward to all the other parts of your Factorio where you __COULD__ have been using the iron instead.
This chip shortage thing was foreseen in March: 7 months ago. That was more than enough time for a new batch of chips to be made or for production runs to be reallocated.
EDIT: Taiwan seems to think some hoarding is going on: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4306366. We know that all chip-manufacturers are using more wafers and creating more chips than ever before. Yes, even this year (even as Texas got that cold-snap and frozen power plants). So why do we have a chip shortage?
A buffer gives us time. That time can be used to save lives.
A buffer absorbs a short term disruption in a supplier which prevents the shortage. A buffer gives time to look for another supplier in a long term disruption. A buffer delays a shortage when no other supplier is feasible.
But Factorio is more complicated than what can be typically described in say... the 470 posts in this topic thus far.
As such, Factorio is "closer to reality" than the discussion (at least, than the discussion without Factorio being used as a crutch).
I'm using Factorio to elevate the argument closer to reality. Rather than using a crappier hypothetical example in the abstract.
Factorio often has implicit buffers through its belts (or bot network). If you build an inserter-only factory you'll become painfully aware how important they are to to the smooth operation of the factory. Otherwise it's very easy to get rolling waves of cascading backpressure, where the entire factory is only able to produce at good efficiency as long as you have fully saturated input as well as complete consumption of every product you produce.
Leaving 1000 items on a belt (aka: a belt of length 70) is just less effective than bots flying to fetch an item _just_ when you need it. The buffer is counter-productive.
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The only time you want to "buffer" in Factorio is to provide 12-items to stack inserters, to maximize UPS (updates per second). If your stack inserters are moving 12-items every swing, that's using less CPU power than if they're moving 6 or 5 items per swing.
And as we all know: the expert's biggest problem in Factorio is when you've built such a large factory that your own CPU starts to slow down (aka: UPS problems). So buffers of size 50 come to the rescue (the smallest buffer available, and just enough to take advantage of 12-item stack inserters).
A true on-demand factory would take ages to produce anything, it would basically not be much faster than handcrafting because the iron plates wouldn't start being created until the pipe is needed, and the pipe wouldn't be needed until the steam engine is needed. But it's much slower to make iron plates than pipes, and much slower to make 10 pipes than make a steam engine. Which is why you absolutely need those buffers.
When Ford ran out of chips (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/31/ford-slashes-vehicle-product...) because of its "just-in-time" process, Ford was able to give 2-months of notice before shutting down one of its lines.
That means that Ford had a 2-month buffer __in practice__.
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When you go bot-based, you have full control over the size of your buffers at all steps of your Factorio design. At that point, you realize that smaller buffers are more efficient, and that larger-buffers don't do anything.
Ex: if you achieve maximum throughput with buffer-size 20, you leave it at 20-sized buffers. There's no reason to buffer-up 1000x items when 20-sized buffers work out fine.
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Belts force you to buffer everywhere... and proportionally to the size of the belt. A long belt 1000 tiles long would force you to buffer up 7000 (one side) or 14,000 items (double-sided). The size of these buffers are grossly larger than what anyone needs.
The key buffer size is usually 12 (the stack-inserter's grab size). Maybe 24 or 36 so that you have enough buffering to handle 2 or 3 swings of the stack inserter in case those items don't arrive on time (bots "seemingly randomly" run out of power, from the perspective of that assembly machine)... but anything more than that is redundant. Buffer size 50 (minimum size allowed on chests) are used in practice.
this is sort of tautological, or at least hinges on how you interpret "necessary". certainly no one would implement a buffer knowing at the time that it was unnecessary!
but even in factorio, it can be worth maintaining a buffer deeper than what's needed to keep the factory running at 100% under optimal conditions. you don't want to find out that you're out of stone when your bots stop autoreplacing your walls and the biters flood in, or discover that you've exhausted all your uranium patches when your base goes dark. it's a real pain to reseed your kovarex enrichment in a power crisis. I usually maintain fairly deep buffers of critical defense items and monitor them periodically (or set up alarms). especially with fuel cells, I like to have at least a two hour supply, in case setting up the next mine is nontrivial.
disclaimer: I have played several hundred hours of factorio, but I have never built a base so large that my PC itself became the bottleneck.
But stone is used in more than just walls. You also use stone to make concrete.
So what do you buffer? Do you buffer stone? Cause buffering stone didn't actually solve anything (your "stone reserves" are the mine itself. If you really wanted to see "how good" your reserves are, you check how many stone mines you have left).
Do you buffer concrete? No. That wastes stone unnecessarily. Maybe you need the stone for the biter attack.
Do you buffer walls? No. That wastes stone. Maybe you need the stone to make concrete.
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So here's our 4 potential buffers:
* Buffer Stone -- Inferior to just running by your stone mines every few minutes and checking to see how many stone is left in the mine. The __MINES__ itself are your buffer.
* Buffer Concrete -- Wastes walls.
* Buffer Walls -- Wastes concrete.
* Buffer Concrete AND Walls -- Wastes furnaces, pumpjacks, and oil refineries. All of which require stone to make (and can't be made out of Concrete or Walls).
It's not entirely dissimilar to the chip shortage we are seeing. Our processes require a long lead time, which depends on accurate forecasting to work well. When the forecasts fail, you additionally get huge knock-on effects because downstream products also get delayed, which delays additional products.
It's incredibly efficient, nobody is denying that, but what can also not be denied is that incredibly fragile.
I argue that your style of buffering causes the delays we see.
If Ford hoarded 1 year of chips, not only would Ford not be making cars, nor would anyone else be making cars. Every single chip made last year went into a car: and pretty much every car was sold.
We are limited at the chip manufacturing level. The only solution is to make more chips. This process of spinning up chip production takes months to years.
Blaming JIT for showing us the answer is backwards.
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That being said: we do have substantial buffers where it counts: dealership lots. We don't actually have a car shortage yet, just a dramatic increase in car prices. We're all looking ahead to the future to see a lack of production because we're actually more forward looking than we give ourselves credit for.
That doesn't take long. And you'd have enough walls as a finished product to wait out that small delay. (A tiny percent of what you'd have if you tried to buffer the full supply.)
> It's not entirely dissimilar to the chip shortage we are seeing. Our processes require a long lead time, which depends on accurate forecasting to work well.
The thing making the chip shortages so bad and hard to catch up is that we don't have enough manufacturing capacity. For both chips and the supplies they need. Buffers would not help much, because all the spare capacity we had wouldn't have filled them very far, and then they would have quickly drained back to leave us exactly where we are.
If you want to handle longer term disruptions then you need to have more factories, not more warehouses.
If anything, buffer-free is more resilient than buffers when we think of the biter attacks. But this is a "gamey" aspect of the game. Not really representative of real life. (Its not like the items inside of a real-life warehouse just disappear into /dev/null under random circumstances)
In factorio, setting up some cable, chest readers and an alarm - but Factorio unmodded can't alert on rate of chest depletion IIRC.
Unmodded can do it for sure. All you need is a clock and a divisor circuit.
Clock circuits are a constant circuit (+1) applied to a flip-flop, so that the flip-flop counts +1 per tick. (+60 per second).
With a second flip-flop circuit, you can read-and-save the looping time. You subtract the saved time from the current clock to see how much time has passed.
You have a 3rd flip-flop save the value of the chest, and calculate (chest - (flip-flop of chest) / (current-clock - saved-clock)).
Blast that value onto a decider circuit (X > Y) hooked up to a simple alarm. Bam. Fully vanilla factorio solution.
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I may have played this game too long...
I'm simply pointing out that Factorio has a factory-like system that has the "buffering" problem innate to the game mechanics. As far as I can tell, the problem of buffering in real life is closely modeled by Factorio correctly.
Sim City is on the unrealistic side. But Factorio / Hearts of Iron / OpenTTD seem to do a good job of making the "real world issues translate well into a game". I think most people would benefit if they played those games and learned from them.
FWIW I think there's way too much discussion focus on the keeping of inventory, as it is just one of many ways that the system can have slack. Things like having some extra machinery so it's not all running 24/7, having enough employees so that there is no overtime on a regular week, or treating your employees well so that they'll go the extra mile - these are all ways that production can be ramped up quickly when needed, that don't exist if a business is trying to optimize every last bit of short term profit.
I agree that more people should learn system dynamics and modeling though, whether through games or otherwise.
You do have a nominal amount of supplies buffered up in the mall, but only as much as you ever expect the human (ie: yourself) to ever use at any given time.
Let me discuss the Belt hiearchy. Belts are used to move items around the factory, but are used relatively unpredictably.
Iron makes gears. Iron + Gears make Yellow Belts (slow). Yellow belts + Gears make Red Belts. Red Belts + Lubricant + Gears make Blue belts (fastest belts).
Lets say you're at endgame, so you'll only be using blue belts (very expensive, but useful to the human to have fewer "SKUs" so to speak to think about. Yellow/Red belts save on material but blue belts are best, so you end up just "eating the cost" in most cases).
There's really only one item you should buffer: blue belts. All other components (gears, yellow-belts, red belts, and lubrican) should be made on a "just in time", 0-buffer solution if at all possible.
Yellow-belts and Gears are furthermore used in other items: such as underground belts, splitters (for belts), or inserters / assembly machines / automated turrets (gears). Buffering up gears "at your belt factory" starves your other factories (ie: buffering up 1000 gears at the belt-factory means that your turret-factory will be starved and idle)
I expect that increasing buffers of material work in progress to levels indifferent to the current mess would be very expensive, very risky and have all sorts of secondary effects.
The suppliers and wholesalers have moved on to different products and customers.
Absolutely scummy companies like GM,Ford,VW and Stellantis are the culprits.
Also it doesn’t help the fact that California the most corrupt state in US history is fighting with the most corrupt dock workers Union in SF port.
Corruption, inefficiency and stupidity are creating mass hysteria.
That aside, have there been any winners? Companies or industries that were less RoE driven? Or does the economy completely lack "bio" diversity?
It's basic supply/demand. If demand stays the same but supply is interrupted, production needs to increase for the same amount of time just to satisfy the demand that went unfulfilled. If supply is interrupted and 'reopening' simply means going back to initial production, you'll always be playing catch up.
That's what happened here - lockdowns led to a single change in customer demand for a wide variety of goods both on the personal side(more people at home -> snacks, food, toiletpaper that would have been used up at work started being needed at home), and on the commercial side (no people in the office: no ongoing bulk papertowels/toiletpaper/vending machines/office supplies).
Consumer preferences changed slightly *because* of lockdowns in addition to supply changing drastically *because* of lockdowns.
In our just-in-time supply chain system, interruptions of the magnitude we experienced aren't accounted for.
That said, shipping in particular is problematic in how they externalize costs. They can get away with shenanigans because they use international loopholes etc..
I say we need to dump this 'flagging in exotic country ABC' and require that any ship landing in country ABC has to abide by all the regulations of ABC.
https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/an-unexpected-victor...
If you want to be rational about this, judge the plan (and this one too) on its own merits rather than on the fact you're being manipulated. You're being manipulated - you are always being manipulated, every time someone communicates with you, and you can't escape that. It's good to understand how, but then your job is to tease out the rhetoric and understand the underlying proposal enough to judge it on its own merits.
Following the exact same playbook. A bunch of easily agreeable "Rah, Rah bad Wall st. Short term over long term bad" to get everyone nodding, then an incredible leap to push his actual argument.
This guy is falling very quickly from "interesting how he got that thread picked up everywhere", to "somethings fishy here".
The logic presented is "The cause for the port slowdown is a future policy proposal I want people to oppose."
Obviously he isn't literally saying that, but that's the logic path he walks the reader down.
Yep, we simplify. Yes, we tell stories. We don't lie. (No, teaching Newtonian mechanics without mentioning Relativity isn't a lie, and neither is simplifying the container explanations until even bureaucrats can understand it ;-)
That said, having
1. seen the email that circulated with my customers ten years ago about how container ships transport goods from Asia to US and American air back
2. and having recently listened to "The Goal" by Eliyahu M. Goldratt
I do wonder if this is really the best solution.
I'm not saying he's right about everything, but trusting his integrity and industry knowledge is a very safe first step.
I figure the supply chain is like that. Under certain conditions, JIT is fine. Given sufficient disruptions, the system descends into chaos. Note that we have humans in the loop, too, so expect non-linearities.
I could be wrong. Corrections are welcome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullwhip_effect
Basically - complex systems behave in complex ways. When you have a small shift in consumer demand, it gets amplified up the supply chain, such that you need potentially big shifts in the production of intermediate components. We had a big shift in consumer demand. The supply chain basically can't cope, and so we get chaotic behavior until consumer demand normalizes and revised sales forecasts get propagated up the supply chain.
It also didn't help that everyone was expecting an economic slowdown, and then the government gave trillions of dollars to corporations to juice the stonk market. The resulting price signals induced a ton of aggregate demand for production capacity that simply wasn't there.
[0] Capacity destruction: "Nobody's buying our stuff, we can't afford to keep this one ship/plant/facility/machine running anymore or we'll go out of business." But since every other player in their industry who might've bought it is in the same boat, maybe they're forced to sell to a scrapper, who promptly disassembles the ship/plant/facility/machine. I got my house this way. It was a rental property owned by a company that could no longer afford to keep it, so I bought it, took it off the rental market, and thereby slightly reduced rental capacity in this town. Compare this to an airline temporarily parking a slew of their planes in a densely-packed parking pattern at an un-busy airfield near a nice runway.
when covid first hit, supply chains either had too much or too little almost instantly. Things like raw supplies based on JIT ordering either ground to a halt because demand died and so did the modelling, or because demand was too high for the computer model (think a bell curve.) low-boy trucks shipping things like construction equipment and preform concrete werent affected as governments in most cases stepped in with works projects to keep people employed, but trucks in the supply-side chain of things like toilet paper and frozen pizzas ran into trouble in almost the first few hours of the pandemic.
It helps to keep in mind all these things in JIT are connected. they work like a slinky, and anything that holds up the line will only amplify problems later.
frozen pizza is the best example. for example if things like bell peppers and onions could be delivered, but dough could not, then trucks for dough would idle in the yard until their yard-pay expired and they moved to the next job. yard-pay is the money you earn idling after X minutes in a lot waiting for a hookup, and it can be rather substantial. Anyhow, once dough can be shipped again, peppers cannot because the peppers have spent too much time in transit and now theres loss. pepper trucks then go offline for cleanup and you have too much dough and surprise, the onion trucks just automatically dropped you as a customer because you didnt meet a monthly required minimum.
this doesnt even cover the hell of intermodal port shipping. containers full of perishables rot because cranes are frantically unloading COVID masks, and now those containers are offline for cleaning. containers full of COVID masks cant be unloaded because theres a backlog of Hydrogen Peroxide for a floor tile company in Sheboygan that went out of business eight minutes ago due to shipping constraints, and if its not unloaded and chilled the entire port will explode into flames. in the yard, eighty-one trucks have been on yard-time for nearly 3 hours and a third of the trucking companies paying that yard time will be bankrupt because of it by the end of the day, but they have no choice. Trucks and drivers that went unpaid for weeks are now just taking up lot space until someone figures out how to remove them and the city will likely have to foot the tow.
Later in COVID as cities enacted mass casualty plans they basically absorbed any and all refrigerated 53' trailers they could find as a temporary morgue. now it doesnt matter how many pizzas you wanna sell, the toilet paper company has bought up all your transport market and the city just left you with no refrigerated trailers to use. Once cities are done, you generally scrap those trailers as they cant be used for food again.
Finally, you have trucking firms that went belly-up during the shutdown for any number of reasons, including over-leveraged in JIT style software or a single customer. these truck drivers either left the job to do something else because professional driving is a pretty thankless gig, or retired because the average age of a professional driver is in the 50's. now that we need drivers we have no one to perform necessary training, so it doesnt matter how much cash we throw at highschool kids.
yard conditions also play a role. factories that manufacture bacon might be running at 10% capacity due to covid infections, so trucks show up and idle because the past 3 logistics managers either died or went home sick and nobody in the front office knows what to do. these factories cant or wont shut down because theyre considered supply chain critical (s/bacon/disinfectant/), with "hero" workers and whatnot. shipping companies might also decide to drop you as a customer due to insufficient COVID precautions or an overwhelming amount of COVID infection.
Odd, that.
In my household, we started making our own pizza, from scratch (save canned / bottled Pizza sauce). Flour keeps and is shelf-stable. Most toppings survive refrigeration. Those best served fresh are bought as available, menu rotated as needed.
If your supply chain can't guarantee delivery of complex sets of fresh time-sensitive product, drop constraints such that the product mix is less time-sensitive. Sourdough substituted for dry yeast, unavailable at any price.
(This works well at the household level. It works less well at industrial-scale production where flexibility is greatly reduced.)
Even before covid I used to read about consumer companies that have a shipping problem right before Christmas and go out of business. So I can believe that shipping problems on a scale this large will take time to fix. Thank you for your comment.
California ports suffered from AB5 and EPA rules more than other states, and with California controlling like 40% of the containers, they shot themselves.
Older trucks banned on roads and ports (CARB) and Owner Operator trucks (AB5) gig workers banned, they relocated their llc's outside california to keep their businesses running.
The CA EPA/DOL CARB rules also expanded fire seasons, as older logging companies closed down due to the state not renewing licenses on trucks. Mom/pop companies couldn't afford to buy very expensive trucks, new engines, or licenses. Less companies logging = more fuel.
CA just banned gas generators, as most construction sites use them power their tools. Work arounds will be people buying ford f150's with onboard generators as a quick work around, and most likely will raise costs even further.
Every time I read through a business discussion on HN I cringe. The lack of understanding is, at times, astounding. And yet everyone thinks they "know" what's going on and base a bunch of conclusions and opinions on exactly nothing.
Sometimes I wonder how it is that people rationalize having these opinions and reaching these conclusions when it is obvious they have not taken a single business class and they have never run a non-trivial business.
I hate to bring-up Dunning-Kruger. Yes, I know, some call it controversial. OK, I won't. I'll call it "talking out of your ass". Because, frankly, to someone with real business experience, this is almost exactly what it all sounds like. People talking about stuff they know nothing about. Not sure why some feel compelled to do that, yet, they do.
If you are a software developer, imagine someone posting a bunch of opinions on a relevant subject and you instantly knowing they have no clue what they are talking about. I don't know, scaling Django. Pick anything you really know and imagine a person "talking out of their ass". Well, that's what it looks like in these business/economics discussions most of the time. You can count the number of people who actually know what they are talking about with one or two hands most of the time. The rest is noise.
I don't know where it comes from, but it is in a range between funny, silly and sad.
First: monetary policy. This was half the shock, not just the pandemic - it was on a scale similar to World War II. In hindsight, you can say that the pandemic was a signal to increase production, but that's a bit ridiculous. If vaccines took longer, if governments didn't spend more than WW2, we would be in a much different situation. Not to mention all the retail bankruptcies that happened anyway.
Second: structural changes in the labor market. Huge numbers of Baby Boomer retirements [1], for example, which disproportionately affect the sorts of manufacturing and transport jobs that are relevant here.
Third: operational effects. Lots of spare capacity can mean operating at normal rates after accounting for things like social distancing, quarantines, and government forced shutdowns. Examples include mass factory closures in Vietnam the last few months, huge outbreaks at meatpacking plants, forced quarantine of air crew, and Amazon employees waiting taking 20-60 minutes to pass screening before work.
1. https://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/economic-synops...
If this is to happen with the distribution system, we'll have to deal with the aftermath for years to come.
In ML we fight this with regularization and dropout. However I‘m not sure how to transfer these ideas to economics.
It's very easy to blame this on various proxies for "capitalism" (like “return on equity”), but I think that misunderstands capitalism. It's assumed that capitalism prefers being "lean" or being "efficient" over alternatives, but it's actually circumstances that prefer being lean or efficient.
And when the circumstances change (such as when disasters or war or politics disrupt the supply chain), then other strategies might be preferred. So those businesses that have excess supply or who are able to manufacture domestically (or on site!) might have the advantage. And that will help keep products available to consumers and reduce the economic shock of changes in the circumstances we find ourselves in.
But when government decides to overwhelmingly favor "lean" businesses through policy, business incentives become perverted.
Here in Texas, businesses pay taxes on excess inventory. Its called “Personal Property Tax” and you are required, as a retailer or manufacturer, to render a value and consequently pay a tax for all of the property the business owns at the end of the year. That includes whatever inventory or materials you might own - so whatever you might be holding for reserves or disaster mitigation. So you are incentivized to make sure, at least on Dec 31, that you have as little excess inventory and supplies as possible on your sales floor or in your warehouse.
Government subsidizes overseas shipments, thus encouraging manufacturing and retail over domestic manufacturing and retail.
Government makes domestic employees and manufacturing very expensive (via wage minimums and taxes and regulation and so on) but does not extract tariffs on imported goods - especially lower-priced commodities. That makes it significantly cheaper to offshore manufacturing and warehousing and take advantage of cheap (slave?) foreign labor, environmentally harmful practices allowed by foreign government, etc. Don't get confused - I'm not saying we should have no wage minimums or employment taxes or regulations. Just that the government favors manufacturing and warehousing overseas to domestic manufacturing and warehousing.
So while there are circumstances that favor a business environment that is “efficient” and “lean”, there are tax and legal incentives that don't change as quickly as the circumstances do.
We've enjoyed a robust, dependable supply chain and robust economic growth for a long time. Lots of bad policy has taken root during that time. That bad policy is going to impede the economy’s ability to adapt to the sudden changes we've experienced. And we will all suffer for it.
> The proposed tax on unrealized capital gains will force founders to sell larger and larger pieces of their companies to pay the tax, until eventually they lose control of their businesses and turn them over to the Wall Street sharks to run their disastrous playbook.
I agree with this argument. Love him or hate him, with a tax on unrealized capital gains someone such as Elon Musk would not have been able to drive Tesla to profits thus forcing the automotive industry towards EV's. Moreover, we would have fallen behind decades in the space race.
Yes he would have. One, because there is a tax on capital gains, and he did; you probably mean an unrealized capital gains tax, but... Two, it is quite possible (and explicitly a motivation of the proposed law, so impossible for any honest critic to overlook) to borrow against public tradable assets, and if they are gaining value fast enough that a 20% tax on unrealized gains would significantly erode your holdings you can do so at interest rates far below the value growth, essentially without limit (that's how people fund lavish lifestyles without taxes on unrealized gains already), so he would be able to use that method to pay taxes without any dilution of ownership.
Edit: thank you for pointing out I missed the "unrealized" bit.
q: what caused all the supply chain bottlenecks?
a: the pandemic.
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next week:
opening titles and music
q: should we have done anything differently?
a: probably not. that would be really expensive and pandemics are pretty rare.
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He's wrong to suggest that the billionaire class and founders will solve the problem if we only trust them and let them keep their money. Founders have just as much incentive to optimize the excess out of the system, they just call it "disruptive innovation" by which they mean tweaking how the system works so that they can squeeze out profit for themselves.
I think economists call it rent-seeking.
• https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking
Notably, this usage does not include "providing liquidity", so most of what hedge funds and private equity do for a living is rent seeking, by definition.
So the parent commenter's usage appears to be correct... If it's any consolation, I was under the same mistaken impression as you for a long time.
Some activities classed as renty can be economically beneficial. It’s not all pure usury, but activities that seek to increase rent revenue without increasing the value provided are a problem and that’s the ‘rent seeking’ part. I’ve no problem with fair value rents, but rents should be as low as the market can reasonably bear as excess rents are essentially a tax on production.
Re: Liquidity... The fact that a service is immediately useful to somebody (and has a willing customer) does not prove that it's a net productive behavior for the society, as a whole. That's just how the field of economics defines it, and the practioners widely agree that "providing liquidity" falls into that category.
Now, it sounds like you may be trying to defend the morality of rent-seeking behavior... If that's the case, I wish you good luck in your argument, with somebody besides me. I have no dog in that fight.
The real issue is when owners seek benefits of ownership that are not correlated with efficiency or productivity. For example grants and subsidies, inflation of rents though monopolistic practices or opportunism. In fact all monopolistic profit inflation is renty in a way, regardless of what the business model is, because it's extracting extra profits from simply exercising control of something in excess of the economic value provided. It's exercising the power of incumbency that's the problem.
A topical example is consumer electronics companies designing devices to only last so long and actively suppressing the after market through DRM, difficult or dangerous to repair designs, restricting owner autonomy through software patents and IP law and other methods to ensure you must come back to them and purchase another one.
Another more direct example is the slow conversion of all paid as a product software into subscription services. You can't buy the adobe suite anymore. You have to subscribe to it. Sooner or later you wont be able to buy your operating system either.
Designed obsolescence is arguable though. The customer could always buy elsewhere.
Anyway tye case I was replying to is not rent seeking. Leaner businesses may be more fragile, but they are also more profitable and productive. It’s just being paid to do work.
Rather, it seems like to me the reliance of having a few owners or a few institutions with consolidated power in the form of money or assets is a recipe for disaster. If anything, it's time to disperse the wealth and responsibility of production to as many firms as reasonably as possible. I'd rather have 20 smaller companies making the same thing than 3 big ones that supposedly make them cheaper due to scales of economy which imo is wrong and that most big firms are in diseconomy of said scales now (prices imo reflect this). Basically, we need to both economically and politically Switzerfy the economy (more dispersed institutions, less central control where reasonably possible).
What if there was inflation?
As long as the capital-owning class is holding equity (stocks, real estate) they benefit from inflation.
I'm not sure that follows in extreme cases. I don't even think it follows in baseline cases (2% inflation yoy).
Raising prices leaves customers with limited resources, as wages do not follow at anywhere near the same rate.
If inflation brings prices up, consumers can only spend on specific items, prioritizing necessities over entire verticals of goods. For the vast majority of companies, it's bad.
Take a look at a sampling of the top 50 or so companies by market cap. There's computing & telecom (Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, NVidia, Intel, Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Broadcom, Cisco), which is fundamental to obtaining products & services these days. Retail (Amazon, Walmart, Costco, Target, Home Depot, and Lowe's). Financial services, necessary for paying for things (JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Visa, Mastercard, Bank of America). Critical enterprise software (Oracle, Salesforce). Health care (United Health, Johnson & Johnson, Eli Lilly, Pfizer, Abbott Labs, Merck). Oil (Exxon and Chevron).
Of the top 50, the only ones that I think would be seriously vulnerable are Tesla, Netflix, and possibly branded foodstuffs (Coke/Pepsi/McDonalds). Sure, it'll be devastating to the vast majority of companies - but it's companies like restaurants, niche hobby stores, luxury activities, etc, not the staples that make up the S&P 500.
Billionaires have relatively very little cash in hand. Their billions typically are in form of business equity, and so they very much care of the businesses go into shock.
In this situation it is almost reasonable to want a small crisis to shake out your upcoming competitors and buy some more land or other things of real value at a discount.
They don’t, though, that’s the entire point.
> and even if they lose it all it almost doesn’t make a dent in their net worth. > In this situation it is almost reasonable to want a small crisis to shake out your upcoming competitors and buy some more land or other things of real value at a discount.
A small crisis will in fact not cause them to lose significant amount of cash, but will cause them to lose significant amount of their net worth. Nobody wants that.
“ In 2014, for example, Oracle cofounder Larry Ellison disclosed he had used 250 million of his Oracle shares as collateral to secure a $9.7 billion personal line of credit.”
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/american-billionaires-tax-av...
A credit card with a $5000 limit is not $5000 cash in hand. It's a 'line of credit' for $5000 and whether I actually have the cash to pay that back is a different story. I might actually have $0 cash in hand to pay that back and many people don't until their next paycheck arrives.
Any guesses how far the Oracle share price (of ~$100) has to drop before the bank will actually use that collateral to get their cash?
This practice also comes with all sorts of tax benefits as well.
If they really need to pay some of it back then the company might decide to buy back some shares.
And realistically, like the old adage says: If you owe the bank $1M it owns you, if you owe the bank $1B you own the bank.
The little guy had cash in hand for maybe 24 hours (and even then probably just a certified check). Maybe a little later, say 10 years in they get a home equity line of credit and the bank takes back the previously paid off part of the house as collateral again.
I don't doubt repossession of the little guy's house is easier and happens more often than a Bezos loosing his collateral :) and for every Bezos there are probably quite a few small and medium business owners that put their businesses as collateral to get that line of credit and that did get repossessed.
You do realize when we talk about jeff bezos being a billionaire, it doesn't mean he has his billions in gold/cash in a vault somewhere? The overwhelming majority of his wealth is tied in various financial assets (eg. equities) that certainly do get affected when "businesses go into shock". Sure, he'll be in a much better position to weather such "shocks", but it's still in his best interest to ensure that the economy doesn't crash.
by what metric?
Technically, yeah! Functionally, though, if the Even Greater Depression arrived tomorrow? He'd still be the richest man alive, and probably even more powerful than he already is right now thanks to how Amazon and AWS would get to take over more failing social institutions.
Sure, a falling tide lowers all boats, but Bezos will still comfortably afford his gigayacht. It's a setback for Bezos, and maybe he wants to avoid it in order to maximize profit and utility and whatever, but it's an existential threat to him in the same way spilling a glass of milk or losing a round in a video game are. Even extreme social unrest has been priced in, at however much a luxury bunker in New Zealand costs.
Other people, when the Big Crash arrives, will -- in a totally economically rational way! -- commit suicide in order to ensure their spouses and children aren't bankrupted by their medical bills. Uh, in greater numbers than they already do. Many will starve, or at least go very hungry. In greater numbers, I mean. Should be a good time for the owner class to buy up all the housing stock for cheap, too.
I don't think the owner class is worried about it. I think they actually might be excited.
Bezos does not have his cash in hand, for the most part. To the extent that he does have cash in hand, he has already paid taxes on that cash. To the extent that he has not paid taxes on his wealth, he is fully incentivized by the share price of AMZN.
Sounds good to me.
https://tenetpartners.com/top100/most-powerful-brands-list.h...
Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft all in the top 10.
Exxon way more popular than Netflix.
That just gives more reason to go against, there's quite a few Western comforts that could use a bit more opposition, Amazon being one of them.
You're making the case that it is virtuous to be aligned with popular sentiments on issues, which is a position that dissolves any ethical or political principles in the name of conformity.
What a lot of high wealthy individuals are doing is using their portfolios as collateral against lines of credit. The LOCs give them cash to fund their lifestyle, and they don't have to liquidate their portfolios and take the capital gains charges (at least in the short-term).
Someone can have both holdings and cash in this situation.
This has been possible lately because rates are so low, so the interest doesn't cost borrowers that much.
Generally though, most 'middle-class loans' have an end date.
But I don't feel like digging around SCF data, so this is just a hunch. Having said that, my hunch is that middle class households are much more indebted than wealthy households.
Difference is just the volume of money and when the term is due.
LOCs are often open-ended, so as long as they're at minimum paying the interest, the lender doesn't care. Presumably it will be cleared up eventually on death with the estate.
> Someone can have both holdings and cash in this situation.
Ya, I understand this. This is exactly my point, though. If he's taken out loans against his shares, he is even more incentivized by the value of those shares than if he had not done so.
To the extent that he has pure (unencumbered) cash positions, he's paid taxes. To the extent that he has unrealized gains or loans against unrealized gains, he is incentivized by share price appreciation.
This was in response to the a comment suggesting that because Bezos had already cashed out, he didn't care about the value of his shares anymore.
It's about the fraction of global wealth that they control.
That's how they benefit from crisis and catastrophe.
Maybe the dollar value of their pile declines, but the percentage of global wealth they control increases, as the poor and less wealthy get hurt proportionately more.
> Bezos does not have his cash in hand, for the most part.
yes, but it works as collateral for whatever cash he may need/want, which means effectively the same thing in the end, no?if you're measuring outcomes by relative income/wealth, then you can also argue that the "Even Greater Depression" wouldn't affect the average person either, because everyone would stay in the same place (on average).
>probably even more powerful than he already is right now thanks to how Amazon and AWS would get to take over more failing social institutions.
We just had a huge pandemic and recession. Did he take over "failing social institutions" did he "take over"?
>It's a setback for Bezos, and maybe he wants to avoid it in order to maximize profit and utility and whatever, but it's an existential threat to him in the same way spilling a glass of milk or losing a round in a video game are. Even extreme social unrest has been priced in, at however much a bunker in New Zealand costs.
Surely he'd prefer to be the leader of a global megacorp, travel anywhere in the world, partake in various space-related adventures, and not be trapped in a bunker? You're right he won't ever have to worry about his basic needs, but I wouldn't characterize it as "spilling a glass of milk or losing a round in a video game". I'd be pretty pissed if the US government somehow revoked by right to leave the country.
>Other people, when the Big Crash arrives, will -- in a totally economically rational way! -- commit suicide in order to ensure their spouses and children aren't bankrupted by their medical bills. Uh, in greater numbers than they already do.
I'm not sure why this is being brought up, other than for the shock value.
>I mean. Should be a good time for the owner class to buy up all the housing stock for cheap, too.
Similar to your fears about amazon taking over, this seems to be unsupported by the data. The great recession lasted from Q1 2008 to Q3 2009, according to the fed. However, this doesn't seem to correlate with institutions buying up houses?
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22647043/S...
I suspect that you don't understand why I'm bringing up the human consequences for the same reason you've claimed that "the "Even Greater Depression" wouldn't affect the average person either, because everyone would stay in the same place (on average)". Bezos and his peers can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars of abstract net worth every day for decades before they even notice, let alone have the material conditions of their lives change in the least; the modal person will be dead of exposure in a few days. It's somewhat incredible that you'd even try to make the argument, actually.
>Surely he'd prefer to be the leader of a global megacorp, travel anywhere in the world, partake in various space-related adventures, and not be trapped in a bunker?
Aww, shucks, I'm confident Bezos will be able to continue his worldly lifestyle until things go very poorly indeed. That said, the very existence of the owner class's anxiety-bunkers is a sign that they're not entirely behind keeping the global economy running and serving the people, don't you think? If there's only one escape pod and it's for the command staff, only us crew need suffer the consequences of their tactical decisions.
>I'd be pretty pissed if the US government somehow revoked by right to leave the country.
I never mentioned this, and I'm not sure what relevance this has to anything either of us has said. I'm beginning to believe you're not arguing in good faith.
>Similar to your fears about amazon taking over, this seems to be unsupported by the data
AWS didn't even need a pandemic to achieve running most of the DoD. Not sure if you've been following the housing market, but Zillow didn't need an economic crash to go all in to rent(al)-seeking behaviour. At least they seem to be dropping the ball on that one, but think of how much more effective buying up all the houses will be once everyone's underwater on their mortgage and unemployed? I'm also a little surprised that you'd show me a chart that shows that this historical low of landlord house purchasing represents a fall to 20%. Since you're so familiar with CoreLogic's data sets regarding this, I'm sure you're aware that in 2000 it was between 5 and 10%, and trended upward until only recently. Unsupported by the data, my eye; you're just closing yours to the important parts of the story.
>The great recession lasted from Q1 2008 to Q3 2009, according to the fed. However, this doesn't seem to correlate with institutions buying up houses?
The other way to phrase this, of course, is "having ballooned in the past eight years, the proportion of home sales to landlords snaffling up housing stock continued to rise, even during an economic crisis, and rose precipitously after the crisis was 'over'".
Bezos isn't even the richest person alive today. That would be Musk.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/elon-musk-is-now-n...
I guess my read is that if Bezos got his title from a company that didn't exist, in modern, sell-everything form, until 22 years ago... (and in +AWS form, until 19 years ago)
And if the current holder got his title from a company that didn't have a physical product until 12 years ago...
It's probably a bad bet to say "Obviously, these people are going to be the richest forever."
Obviously, but again, the point isn't who's at the very top of the leaderboard. The point is that the material situations of the top, say, 500 richest easily allow for what we plebes would parse as insane economic loss in real wealth, and they'd be basically OK with it. Perhaps they'd no longer be in the top two digits, but they have only really lost in the sense of a high score, not lost in the sense of total dispossession and now your life's over.
If SpaceX was somehow destroyed, reputationally and materially, Musk would still have Tesla, and all his other ventures and economic instruments. Likewise Amazon could go belly-up due to a sudden locavore craze and a drone uprising, and AWS would continue making money hand over fist. My point is that the owner class is thus not actually seriously incentivized to prevent an economic crash, and in fact their apocalypse-bunkers indicate that they're pricing in the clearly non-zero chance of it happening.
Lastly, the numbers you're using about the ages of these mega-corps? Good point about that -- the Hudson's Bay Company once owned more land than any other company ever, acted as first contact to uncontacted Natives, and now they are a department store. That said, I don't think Amazon or Tesla will fall from grace in the near term. Blithely assuming that the HBC, like many a corporation, would have a 20 year lifespan or even just wane in power in 20 years, would have been a bad bet in 1700.
When the DotCom Bubble burst AMZN's stock when down 90%:
* https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/18/dotcom-bubble-amazon-stock-l...
He didn't seem to freak out then and kept chugging along.
Short of the (zombie) apocalypse happening, I doubt it will ever drop that much again, and so I doubt Bezos would care about any kind of draw down that could realistically happen.
If you own a shipping port, it's in your best interests for thing to get worse right now and not better. You end up being able to charge premiums to jump queues, and end up making more profit by doing less work. Those guys are incentivised to ride the crashing economy all the way to the bottom, and not to lift a finger to slow it down.
And Bezos might be as well. Amazon quite likely could profit handsomely off a freight crunch that sees container prices go through the roof. There are very few retailers or wholesalers who'd have the bargaining power to get those queue jumping premium services for lower prices than their competitors, and when Amazon Prime becomes the only way to buy manufactured goods out of China, they can push the margins higher that other importers who either can't negotiate rates the way Amazon can, or who just can't get stock into the country at all.
Just off the top of my head, the Swiss:
don't make airplanes (no Boeing, Embraer)
don't make cars (no GM, Ford, Toyota, etc)
have big consolidated banks (UBS & CS)
have large trading firms (Glencore, Trafigura)
etc....
My point is not to nitpick (I actually agree with your post) , but to show that even in a tiny country like Switzerland (smaller than Chicago), it is hard to do that.
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GM and the rest of Detroit got their rear ends handed to them because they'd underinvested in fuel-efficient engine designs (the lost 70s) and grown lazy in reliability.
Lean manufacturing may have allowed Japanese manufacturers to price more competitively and be more agile, but at the end of the day, they increased their sales because they made better cars.
You're leaving out some pressures which caused Detroit to be un-competitive in the small car space, including high labor costs.
The whole point of the startup culture is that they can do things better than a large company.
And, quite often, they can. But not always.
A semiconductor plant, for example, is not a startup thing because the capital cost is so gigantic.
However, most fields are not that bad. Even bio equipment just isn't that expensive relative to the cost of the people to use that equipment.
The bigger problem, right now, is that investors don't want to fund anything which requires more than 18 months before flameout/unicorn. That blocks startups that have a 5+ year horizon.
Newer, smarter Asian companies will displace stupid old American ones, just as the Americans crushed the Europeans.
Tech founders are a different breed.
Whether we believe them is another matter entirely.
People writing articles like this forget that it's not just Wall Street, but competitors who created the huge pressures for adopting JIT inventory systems. There's also the consumer. Are you willing to spend the additional money required to buy a car from a company who wastes tons of $ on excess inventory?
It didn’t help but I think that’s more of a symptom of building shoddy products: part of why inventory backed up is that Detroit was producing cars which simply weren’t as good. Toyota didn’t have a shortage of demand, and neither did Saturn. If you make shoddy, poor-handling gas guzzlers, yes, you’ll underperform on sales. That doesn’t meant the only option is less inventory.
The book is a deep, academic examination of the roots of lean production, and is a must read for any engineer who wants to get the Agile cultists to shut up and go away. I'm a hardcore believer in the ACTUAL Agile philosophy, which is rooted in lean, and I despise the cult of clerics that have risen up around it and turned it into management consulting BS. That book helps to know real agile from consultant billing hours agile.
> I'm a hardcore believer in the ACTUAL Agile philosophy, which is rooted in lean
would then the work of juran, demming, goldratt et al, be good reading as well?A lot of the Demming types are pure theory, or just garbage in the modern age.
> A lot of the Demming types are pure theory, or just garbage in the modern age
wasnt alot of demmings writings used by japanese companies in general though?i guess what your saying is, its better to study those companies themselves, even if influenced by said person...?
It really feels like a lot of these folks go to university, embrace a quasi-religious ideology where large companies are the devil and are therefore the root of all things bad, and profits are a sign of greed. Meanwhile, the douchenozzle is sitting there writing that tweet on a piece of electronics that was made possible by the things he's complaining about.
If I'm being paid for my performance while I'm a CEO, why would I spend money today (and hurt my performance today) to fix a problem that MIGHT affect the company in 20 years
A lot of the JIT fashion came from Toyota, and yet Toyota doesn’t seem to suffer from these issues as much as others. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that most of the senior executives of Toyota have all been at Toyota for longer than many of us have been alive, and that the company president is the grandson of the company founder.
> the supplier, who has absolutely no knowledge of your inventory needs.
that would seem to assume a not close relationship with said supplier......doesnt jit work better if you have good relationships with them and they know well what your expectations are and can adjust accordingly?
This is pure speculation, but I also wonder if Japan’s geography + slightly more diverse economic landscape (lots of small businesses that do nothing but make components) help make their JIT more resilient to shocks. With Osaka, Tokyo, and Nagoya all within an area less than the length of California, it’s far easier to “in-time” material.
Computer chips? Made only in one company in china? Trying to get someone else to make them, means weeks or months of production line changes + waiting time + other customers... good luck. If they're far away (eg. china), and the transport system is fucked up, you're basically fucked up too. Even a huge company like toyota can't make a chip factory "overnight" anywhere.
I will give him credit for cleverly spinning this logic all into a pitch to kill the unrealized cap gains tax proposal!
What? How did you get billionaire class and founders? He specifically says founder led companies and family owned businesses. Unless you reduce that group to the Waltons, how does family owned businesses equate to the billionaire class?
"Only founder led companies and family owned businesses can stand up to the immense pressure from the dogmas of modern finance."[1]
There was a book published a couple of years ago (before the pandemic) which was "demonstrating" (so to speak) that going back through history real financial/economic levelling at a reasonable scale only happened as a result of violent means (wars, revolutions etc).
I think what those violent means do (among other, more nasty things like people getting killed) is that (in some cases) they obliterate the societal/institutional structures on which a specific rent-seeking system is based, which gives the majority of the people a chance to "level up" until a new rent-seeking system takes shape.
Also plagues/disease. Currently relevant.
Dear lord the amount of smug “wE aRe ThE mOSt EfFicIEnt wAY Of AllOCaTinG CaPitAl” arguments from very wealthy founders that would prefer to become more wealthy is frankly ridiculous. I get it, you went to Stanford and they taught you some fancy words to trick people into giving you money instead of investing in public infrastructure and services.
"most" does a lot of work here since it's a relative term. I'm not sure I'd exactly call them efficient but I'm not sure there's a _more_ efficient way that I've seen.
He didn't say they'd solve the problem. He said they're the only ones who can be resilient in hard times. OK I think he said the ARE resilient, I say "can be" because it's still a choice.
"I think economists call it rent-seeking." That's what the incumbents are after, and so are a lot of the startups - at least the startups seeking round after round of investment. If they're not seeking rent, they're trying to set up infrastructure (manufacturing or cloud this-or-that) and collecting returns (rent) on that investment. Nobody talks about profit on goods sold, they talk about return on capital (or RoE) and that seems a lot more like rent.
>I think economists call it rent-seeking.
Are you saying all "disruptive innovation" rent-seeking? Or only certain kinds? If a founder was able to "optimize the excess out of the system" by providing a better consumer-facing experience (eg. amazon), why shouldn't they be rewarded with profits? Is there any room for profits without being called a rent-seeker?
Picking on Amazon for a moment, their original "innovation" was a sales and use tax dodge: based in Washington, they were able to sell books to California without having to charge the relevant sales tax upfront. That margin gave huge room to provide free shipping and other customer conveniences. Technically customers were supposed to pay a self-reported use tax but many did not.
The relevant laws have changed since then, but the general point still stands. Does mere tax and legal arbitrage count as rent-seeking? Absolutely.
Sales tax in california was 7.25%. While not having to charge tax was a competitive advantage, I'm skeptical that was the defining factor that led to amazon's success. This is further compounded by how prices work in the US (taxes are not included), so I doubt this even made a conscious difference to most people. Finally, the exemption isn't limited to e-commerce sites. According to wikipedia, it includes "companies doing mail order, online shopping, and home shopping by phone". Why did amazon dominate while sears languished?
It isn't really an exemption, anyway, it is a limitation under then-existing federal law on the power of states to impose taxes.
> According to wikipedia, it includes "companies doing mail order, online shopping, and home shopping by phone".
That's misleading.
What it actually applied to, at the time, was companies without physical presence in the state into which the sale was being made. So companies that exclusively did those things would be covered (except in the State they operated from, but they could operate in a no sales tax state), but companies that did them alongside physical operations would not, and before the web, those other models alone had so much less access to customers that the sales tax hack wasn't worthwhile.
> Why did amazon dominate while sears languished?
Because while Sears also had mail order business, it was a ubiquitous brick-and-mortar retailer, and thus was paying sales tax on its mail order sales, because they had retail everywhere.
2. I'm not really convinced that "the sales tax hack wasn't worthwhile". How expensive would it be to spin off your mail order division? Lawyers might be expensive, but 7.25% of your revenue is also a lot of money.
Someone could click a link on an ad and be on your “catalog” and able to order with very low friction, rather than seeing an ad, ordering a catalog, getting the catalog, then calling in or mailing an order.
(Also, Amazon was initially specifically in books, and got started just after a few giants like B&N and Borders had crushed local independent bookstores and replaced them with giant, discounting, but more impersonal and on average more distant from the customer big box stores, so they were hitting a market uniquely (or at least particularly) primed for a convenient to access heavily discounting remote seller; not only was the internet a sea change
We're talking about founder owned companies owned by billionaires. So let's use an example of one: SpaceX. You're maligning "disruptive innovation" so let's expand out your claim with the specific example: an order of magnitude reduction in the cost of space flight and the introduction of competition in rural internet service.
So you're saying enabling access to other planets and the moon while providing people in isolated areas with internet service is an example of squeezing out profits and you're saying that you think it is rent seeking. Rent seeking is defined as an economic concept that occurs when an entity seeks to gain added wealth without any reciprocal contribution of productivity. Typically, it revolves around government-funded social services and social service programs. We already had programs to access space. They were an order of magnitude more expensive. We already had programs to provide internet. They didn't serve well the subset of people that are in remote areas. So in both cases it just isn't the case that the company is doing rent seeking.
In other words, you are completely wrong when we use a specific example.
This applies to more specific examples. Lets use the specific example of Flexport. It is owned by a founder and you're replying to things posted by them so it's even less of a reach than before.
They are introducing computers to an industry that has competitors from the 1400s era. These competitors sometimes have legacy processes built on physical paper and for some of them excel is an example of the use of cutting edge technology. You're saying that doing better than that for people using modern technology is an example of rent seeking.
So do workers, to be fair. The goal of workers in purchasing departments and HR isn't to make the business more efficient but to propagate a cushy lifestyle for themselves and their mates.
To an extent, that same misalignment exists in all classes of worker, including engineers.
SWEs are probably the worst at this; so many of the problems that we solve don't have anything to do with squeezing the most performance out of the hardware or reducing technical debt. Instead, a huge chunk of our time is spent on man-made bullshit that sysadmins don't solve properly because otherwise they'd be out of a job.
Plenty of people warned about the hazards of allowing these companies to outsource everything, government did nothing. Mostly because they are bought off by lobbyists. This could have pretty easily been prevented by putting tariffs on key industries to keep manufacturing here or at least in North America
> tariffs on key industries to keep manufacturing here or at least in North America
would businesses be ok with that? it seems alot of expensive investing at home when it could be done cheaper overseas...im pretty sure massive lobbying would incur... but maybe im not seeing the whole picture.
Is this even still true in a super low interest rate environment?
Yeah in the 80s and 90s, tying your resources into inventory would have cost a lot in terms of missed opportunity to invest the money elsewhere. But with financing rates near zero or even sometimes negative in real term, wouldn't even the wall street guy be like: sure keep some inventory, cash is cheap right now.
This RoE argument seems very last century to me.
New companies aren't all trying to be rent-seekers, they also try to dodge existing regulation or actually innovate.
You can juice RoE in the short term by removing slack and shock absorbers, because increasing the brittleness of the supply chain probably won't show up in this quarter's returns.
The supply chain for fuel is brittle. There isn't sufficient inventory in tanks to buffer even short disruptions. A pipeline offline for a couple days is enough to make a crisis.
People catch wind of the crisis and start filling their tanks at three-quarters full instead of one-quarter full, and the brittle supply chain breaks with the accelerated demand.
Same thing we're seeing with the global supply chain which was already brittle, now individuals and companies are putting in bigger orders sooner to compensate, and it fails in the face of accelerated demand.
Regulate minimum buffers, or create a state-run rail and warehousing system like industrial Amazon. It's a natural monopoly and much more efficient than a gazillion trucks.
Late entrants to a backed up queue take exponentially longer to service.
Walmart is the reason why US middle class got screwed. Walmart is the reason why we saw unabated rise in China. Walmart is boomer legacy.
What did people think would happen?
We thought that if we didn't do that we'd run a very real risk of the entire healthcare system collapsing. We were trying to "flatten the curve" so that hospitals could deal with an ongoing roar instead of being hit with a massive explosion.
Not were, are.
The entire lockdown/restriction/mask mandate set of policies has been based on managing hospital capacity. State and local governments are still using hospital capacity to decide when to lift or reimpose restrictions.
The wave of explainers we got last year about flattening the curve were wrong about how long it would take, but the fundamental strategy and the reasoning behind it never actually changed.
Lessened demand in large sections of the economy can itself create shortages in the parts that take on the load or at least stress on the supply chain to redirect to those places now in extreme demand. Take restaurants for example, people didn't stop eating but vast swaths of food supply chains had to change pretty much overnight.
Then there is also the problem of the demand of certain things being highly uncertain, like cars towards the beginning.
Then there is the extreme induced demand on certain things like webcams, laptops, or other home electronics as everyone stays home. I'm sure that also isn't an easy overnight change to make and then swing back from since it was completely unplanned. I know the area I work immediately ran out of widgets based on orders of 10s of thousands instantly coming in and it has been backed up since that time to this day.
Finally during the initial portion of the pandemic lots of factories, both in the US and China, were getting shut down. China seemingly longer. When restaurants and whatnot started to open back up was about the time you saw those shutdowns stop happening too. So on top of the above concerns for the supply chain lots of non bars and movie theatres were also affected by shutdowns, just perhaps not as long.
May be more I'm missing but I don't think GP is an empty comment by any means.
e.g., The induced demand from work from home you mention I wouldn't count as part of any 'shutdown' at all. It has been largely driven organically by the decisions of individual firms and workers. My office was ordered to work from home by company HQ, not by any government authority, and at this point staying WFH is an individual voluntary choice. Does this count as part of the 'shutdown'? Certainly my sector of the economy (software development) was not shutdown, quite to the contrary.
It's certainly true that collectively, society pushed down in some places and things popped up in others, sometimes in obvious ways (going remote creates demand for laptops and cameras and office chairs) and sometimes in surprising ones (spiking rental car prices, yet internet providers were totally unfazed). I don't think "if only we hadn't been so foolish as to shutdown a large part of the global economy" is a useful or helpful way to think about these phenomena, though.
We'll never know for sure, but I doubt that's the correct comparison. Even without government-mandated shutdowns, many areas--especially major urban cores--would still have experienced massive shocks as people voluntarily shifted to working from home, stopped going out to eat, etc. In other words, much of what the government did through law would likely have happened anyway out of fear and individuals exercising their common sense.
Sure, it wouldn't have been exactly the same, but I think the counterfactual is much less rosy than you assume. And then there are the benefits of the shutdown which helped to direct the drop in activity towards less essential parts of the economy and increased predictability, to say nothing of the benefits of reduced viral transmission.
The places which were closed were not producing things used in the supply chain.
How do you envision the time between march 2020 and the point where herd immunity through vaccines / infection would have been sufficient would have gone without a lockdown?
I'll take a lack of a few non-essential luxury goods for a year or two over a world where everywhere looked like that, any day of the week.
https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-us-news-cor...
But New York also has a subway system that (approximately) everyone uses to get around. That turned out to be a perfect spreading ground for a respiratory virus. If I understand correctly, that's a big part of why New York got hit so hard. You can't just pin it on Cuomo's criminal irresponsibility.
The outcome is a less efficient supply chain.
Very simple.
The bottleneck was the 3 hour boat tour. Imagine how much time we could have saved if we had just cut to the chase?
Also, he took a real Gilligan's Island risk just going out on a 3 hour boat tour. We could still be stuck and he could be stranded on a desert isle somewhere in the South Pacific.