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> The point is, people are seeing that things do not add up.

That's because they are ridiculous. Side effects from the vaccine are caused by the body's immune response, because the vaccine literally only contains code for the spike protein. Guess what happens when you actually get infected with the live virus? An immune response.

It's about 99.9% likely that the people who had such adverse reactions to the vaccine would have had as bad (or worse!) reactions to being infected with COVID. Not to mention the actual damage caused by the virus!

The basic fact escaping them has turned this into a giant theatrical production in service of political ends....like everything these days.

> the vaccine literally only contains code for the spike protein

Then does that mean that the spike protein RNA is itself capable of causing adverse reactions? The J&J vaccine is associated with an increased risk of TTS. If that vaccine "literally only contains code for the spike protein" then what else could cause it?

(the rest of your comment is spot-on, I just don't get what's going on with this specific part)

The spike protein cannot self-replicate because it is not complete enough, so it can't create a runaway infection. There is only so much mRNA coding for so many copies of that protein, and that mRNA is quickly broken down. I am not a molecular biologist, but I believe the spike protein is not complete enough to actually even penetrate cells, so I don't think it can even cause any kind of cell damage.

Right, I'm not saying (nor do I believe) that the spike-protein can self-replicate - but that's not the way that an alien substance can damage the body. Again, it's all fine and dandy to say what cannot happen, but you still haven't explained what could then be causing the blood clots.

> Side effects from the vaccine are caused by the body's immune response

Here's another reason side effects could happen: https://odysee.com/@breadcrumbs.2.satori:2/Dr-Sucharit-Bhakd... i.e., spike proteins emerging from normally smooth blood cells, protruding out into the vessels, causing clotting. This idea has apparently been vindicated by D-dimer tests.

> The result is, healthy young people who almost certainly cannot benefit from taking the vaccine are being pressured to take it, suffering extreme adverse side effects, and being told that they're just psych cases (suffering from anxiety or something similar)

The above post is the exact reason why we are never getting out of this Pandemic. Just pure misinformation being passed as facts.

Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. Once they are vaccinated, they are much less likely to spread COVID, which is the real reason we want the young to get vaccinated. So they can stop spreading it.

Individual cases of people having strong reactions to the COVID vaccine is expected and not harmful to the individuals. I fail to understand why anti-vaxxers keep posting this kind of information. They are just telling us what we have already been told we can expect.

Also, if you think having a strong reaction to the COVID vaccine was bad, wait until you get COVID because it just might kill you.

> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/michigan-teen-dies-sleep-3-days-after...

If we accept that this story is not fabricated, this person was previously healthy. Myocarditis suspected. Slides 62 and 63 of https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf indicate the vaccines can cause myocarditis, especially in young men. High troponin levels is the alleged indicator, from https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2109975

Another victim, aged 18. Clotting suspected, as suggested by Sucharit Bhakdi. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-halts-astrazeneca...

Another victim, aged 16. Pulmonary embolism. Does this look like a forged/noise report to you (honest question, no snark)? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4urslGWEAM_7c3?format=jpg&name=...

Another victim, aged 15. Cardiac failure. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0X3XuqXoAAPX2N?format=jpg&name=...

Another victim, aged 13. More heart problems. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1505250

> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots. [...] Individual cases of people having strong reactions to the COVID vaccine is expected and not harmful to the individuals.

This is misinformation. The other poster already pointed out how vaccines are linked to myocarditis in young and otherwise healthy people, and a recent study pointed out that this is at least partly is linked to how the vaccines are administered (no aspiration->spike protein injected into blood vessels->heart damage).

Stop claiming that the vaccines cannot be harmful. This only reduces trust in science when evidence of harm mounts, because interventions almost always cause some kind of harm. The question is always how much harm will come from the intervention vs. the probability of getting infected and suffering complications from it. The result of this calculation is not at all obvious, and the widespread push for interventions and damn the consequences is stupid.

> Young people can die from COVID but they won't die from COVID vaccine shots.

The actual numbers seem to be that otherwise healthy teenage boys are more likely to die from the vaccine than from COVID - to be clear, both numbers are very low. Trustworthy stats are hard to come by in any case given that everyone is pushing an agenda.

That Patricia Lee letter is all kinds of shady. What vaccine were the patients given, and how soon before their symptoms? She only waited 7 days between sending a letter to the CDC and getting a law firm who specialized in anti-vaxx causes? Some of the details were changed to protect PII? But we should just trust you? Ok.

A whole lot of Americans took the vaccine in a very short time frame. Some people are going to get sick soon after. And of course in every single case, family members will be sure it was caused by the vaccine, because that's how the human brain works.

6.6B doses of vaccine have been given out worldwide. If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out, and they would have come out during the clinical trials.

> If side-effects like those were at all common it would come out

What do you think of slide 11 from https://www.skirsch.com/covid/All.pdf ? VAERS is known to be vastly underreported. Kirsch calculates using various conservative methods that the underreporting factor for the COVID vaccines may be about 41.

But everyone hates guesswork like that, for good reason. VAERS is undoubtedly very noisy. So what do you think of slide 27 from that same presentation, in which Peter Schirmacher says 30-40% of the 40 people he autopsied died of the vaccine? https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/wissenschaft-heidelberg-c...

VAERS data has been massively misconstrued and reported completely out of context by anti-vaxxers with an agenda and often profit motive for doing so. Here's a good thread about VAERS data and how it's being misused: https://twitter.com/dhmontgomery/status/1432419761703596033

All VAERS does is say a person got sick or died after taking a vaccine. It's unverified. It doesn't say if the person was already sick. It doesn't try to ascribe cause. From their own definition: "information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines." When 200M people get a vaccine, there are going to be some coincidences.

The slide you reference is a perfect example of misuse of VAERS. Of course deaths following (not necessarily because of) vaccinations are going to be higher than previous years when you're vaccinating 200 million people at once, many of them old and sick. Just use common sense. Creating a dramatic chart to compare deaths following vaccinations during a global pandemic and vaccination drive vs. previous normal years is nonsense, and just proves that the author of the slide is an extremely biased source. It's pure emotion-tugging sophistry aimed at a non-expert audience who doesn't understand the data.

Here's an actual source on the safety of the vaccine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475

VAERS has been completely warped to fit an agenda - often promulgated at the top by snake-oil salesmen who make money from eyeballs or bogus supplements, or by state actors trying to sow discord. https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/news/20110111/mmr-doctor-...

700k people, 1 in 500, are dead from covid in this country. Even if all 700 of those deaths in VAAERS were from the vaccine, and VAERS was 40x underreported, (which in no way am I conceding either) that's still several orders of magnitude less than the risk from the virus itself. And that's not even considering long covid, another item anti-vaxxers always ignore. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270

Are other pathologists reporting similar findings? In the article you posted it says they don't agree with him. Why are you picking one voice out of the entire global pathology community to amplify and believe?

Personally I'd rather stick to the overwhelming consensus of the world's top scientists and virologists, and 96% of doctors, on the matter. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur...

If there was really some big coverup involving life and death issues, I have faith a significant enough number of true experts would come forward to make the mainstream media, or even fox news, instead of just a few random sketchy websites.