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> Are they, now?

They're not included in Standard Form 86, latest revision November 2016: https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86.pdf

That's not to say it's excluded from polygraph questions; I can imagine a world where online associations are very relevant to an agency in need of a CI or full scope poly for compartment access.

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SF-86 doesn’t ask any questions like this. They’ll send out agents to collect more in-depth questions that may probe situations like this. They’ll also ask friends, neighbors, family etc about all sorts of things. This isn’t really the kind of question a self-reported form can answer (except for the most obvious questions like debt problems). It takes a human who can synthesize various statements to get pictures like “this person could be blackmailed” or “this person can’t keep a secret.”

Wait. Some people still get put through a complete nonsense pseudoscience polygraph test for clearance?

It’s a polite way of saying that you’ll be randomly interrogated.

It’s like the FAANG interview process. Everyone knows it’s suboptimal, but nobody knows how to do better at that scale.

Close.

It's similar because there are lots of false negatives, but few false positives.

My understanding is that it's used as an "interrogation" technique and that they don't really care what the machine tells them.

They do, I had a clearance rejected because the examiner was convinced I had previous involvement in drug manufacturing. I don’t. I’ve never even used them. Hell, I barely drink. I ended up getting a much better non-clearance job offer elsewhere so it didn’t ultimately negatively affect my career, but it’s still irritating.

It’s a standard practice for a tier of Top Secret security clearance.

Is this a rhetorical question?

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