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I have mixed vaccinations since I'm in BC. Hopefully I get a third booster shot so I can be considered fully vaccinated in the states.

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I'm in the states, and they consider 2 dose to be "fully vaccinated". This is relevant for all laws that mention the requirement is to be "fully vaccinated", and that's 2 dose for Pfizer or Moderna and one for J&J.

If you have been vaccinated in Canada with AstraZeneca you are not considered vaccinated at all in the US (not approved) and you might or might not be considered vaccinated in Europe depending on the manufacturer/lot of your shots (UK, vaxzevria, yes, India, covishield, no, USA, just called AstraZeneca, cannot find any information about it) and the European country in question (not all countries accept all AZ manufacturers as valid).

It is a fairly ridiculous situation and if you need to travel it's definitely an issue given a lot of countries are moving towards "green pass" type actions where unless you are "fully vaccinated" (with the approved vaccine) life will be very difficult for you.

There really should be a better solution about at least the most common vaccines being cross recognized everywhere and not used to artificially block people from moving (why should AZ manufactured in the UK be treated any differently from AZ manufactured in India)

The problem is that the United States is relying on FDA approval for its recognized vaccines. As a result, AZ shots are not recognized for US-travel purposes, so a Canadian who received a first AZ shot and a second Pfizer shot has only one dose as far as the US is concerned.

Canada has approved the J&J vaccine, but it has not distributed any such shots. The first shipment it received came from the troubled production facility that operated off-spec, and the shipment was ultimately rejected (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/12/world/canada-jj-vaccine.h...). Canada has only distributed AZ, Pfizer, and Moderna shots.

Oh I see, thanks for the clarification.

By that point you will need three same dose vaccinations to be fully vacced.

For now. Six months from now you'll need another booster.

The German regulatory body (and I'm sure similar things are happening in other countries) has only been holding off on boosters out of concerns over the supply for first and second shots but is now rolling out boosters for people aged 70+ or vaccinated with the one-shot J&J vaccine, so I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted.

It's gonna be an yearly thing, isn't it. Now with a digital pass so you need to get a paid vaccination or be restricted.

Bet my life that's what's gonna happen.

It will happen if we tolerate it. Bi-annual COVID booster shots, for life, for the entire population. Big Pharma's wet dream. No employment, entertainment, travel, or shopping if you resist. Constant government surveillance - 'contact tracing'.

I can see the logic of it all and still be deeply concerned where it is leading. It's difficult to work out. There's a lot of heat (satirizing: you're vaccine-denying-murderer spreading evil vs you support the soviet style 1984 dystopia starting now unless you join us in opposing it with guns in the street). There's really not a lot of light.

It feels like it is. I'm torn on it. I don't like the removal of personal choice nor the potential for tracking.

I'm curious what the impact of anti-vaxxers is. I know they're more likely to catch and spread COVID, but can the constant low-grade COVID situation be blamed on them entirely or are they just exacerbating it and to what degree?

It really feels like we need to quantify that in order to make a call on how far we're willing to go to force compliance. If COVID would be largely gone without them, perhaps extreme measures are in order. If COVID is only 1% worse because of them, do we all want to make that sacrifice to force compliance?

The reality is likely somewhere in the middle and far more murky. I still think it's worth considering that there are a spectrum of options, and extraordinary measures should be justified by commensurate extraordinary circumstances.

Three will be considered enough by now. Gotta line up some pockets.

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