Friendly reminder that the purpose of the vaccines was to reduce death and severe disease, which all of the approved vaccines continue to do, even as “immunity from infection” wanes.
How anyone can look at those numbers and be against vaccines or question their effectiveness is...mindboggling to me.
Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 article from Science that cited national data tracked by Israel's largest health management organization
this is in a country that had < 60% vaccinated at the time.
personally I think the vaccines are worthwhile for some people, but I wouldn't call them an unqualified success either. Most people are going to uncritically quote the factoids that they like and do mental gymnastics around the factoids they don't like.
I think that what has your mind boggled is mostly your bias (respectfully). I'm not even saying you're wrong fwiw.
The data shows that all groups of people at any age who are fully vaccinated are substantially less like to get COVID or end up in the hospital or end up dying from COVID. Not by a little bit but a lot. You can point to one day in Israel to make your point and I point to the entire US for the last 6 months that backs up what I am saying.
The Israeli data you cited is also is leaving a lot of other information out. How many of those patients were young or old and which were most likely to be fully vaccinated? It turns out that most of the fully vaccinated patients were over 60 with comorbidities and the unvaccinated people in the hospital were young people. Also, we know that the COVID vaccines would lose effectiveness over time and the patients in the hospital who are fully vaccinated would be the first group of people who would get a booster shot. I am also going to go out on a limb and say that if you end up in the hospital with COVID and you are fully vaccinated, I am pretty sure COVID would have killed you if you weren't vaccinated.
Everyone who is cleared to get vaccinated should get vaccinated.
you'd need to come up with a good reason why unvaccinated people were about 10x (or more) likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated people
In any case, when more than half your population is vaccinated, especially the older aged folks, at that point it doesn't make a remarkable difference what it's from as the correlation is still clear.
> The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday walked back controversial comments made by its director, Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, suggesting that people who are vaccinated against the coronavirus never become infected or transmit the virus to others.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/health/coronavirus-vaccin...
> Moderna's chief medical officer, Tal Zaks, said last month that he believed it was likely the vaccine would prevent transmission but warned that there was not yet "sufficient evidence" of it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-no-evidence-coronav...
edit: if you plan to downvote me, please know that i am open to feedback to understand your disagreements with my comment. thank you.
I have spoken with a few "anti-covid-vaccine" people who use this fact as a reason to not get it "It does not work, why should we get it?"
I wonder if this was better communicated at the start would have made more people, or less people get the vaccine.
The best strategy to get to 95+% compliance appears to be mandates.
The Delta variant may have changed the game but, based on the history of attempts to vaccinate against coronaviruses, plenty of people predicted that would happen.