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Working class people alone wouldn't create shit. They have to be provided tools, trained to do the job, and then overseen, so that they do not fuck it up. That's why many industries prefer to replace them with robots. You vastly overestimate the role of working class people in creating consumer goods.

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That only explains why they own the company, not why they deserve a higher salary or why the workers deserve getting paid as little as possible. It also doesn't explain why we should have an inflexible labor market where people compete for scarce full time jobs and we then have to figure out ways to pad the jobs so that everyone can pretend to work full time.

Who orders the tools? Decide which tools to implement? Actually implement and conduct the training? Does the actual hands-on management of each working class employee?

Certainly not the person at the very top.

You forgot to mention, at each of these steps the ones with the most experience tend to climb the rank up the "top" and become "them".

Actually, I didn't. Note that I referred to "the person at the very top". Statistically, those you're referring to will likely only reach middle and upper management, not C-level. There are significantly stark differences between management and C-level employees as it pertains to this conversation.

Look at other comments complaining about C-Suite. I don't know what is stopping you from creating your own company and building your own ideals and subjecting yourself to everyday company, business faces: profit and losses.

Public companies are just bunch of share holders who just happen to have capital, you could be one too.

You mean your downvoted comments that already have good responses to them? No thanks, I won't be going around in circles with you; it's tremendously obvious that your biases prevent you from actually having a constructive conversation about this issue.

I agree. The downvotes rain are coming, but this categorisation of working class vs wealthy, (Infact I am a working class according to them) from so called progressives (really nihilists) is cause normal everyday people problems for their agenda. We don't need your help. We can stand our grounds.

Just because you can't understand what a group aspires to doesn't make them nihilists. Is this coming from the Jordan Peterson book of philosophy?

The result speaks for itself. There isn't much understanding to do at this moment. If this group wants to throw themselves off the cliff, I am not willing to go with them.

From the perspective of a _more_ socialist (but still ultimately capitalist) European country, it seems that the group throwing themselves off a cliff are the more purist capitalist types in America. There are other solutions than full-on Soviet-style planned economies.

Ultimately, we live in a society - a rising tide lifts all boats.

Unfortunately, this kind of nuance seems to be lost for a lot of people. They hear, "Rich people bad," or, "Universal healthcare," and assume that whoever said that craves full-blown Communism, which is typically far from the truth.

Us vs Them, people at the top and working class division isn't helping either.

... says the person stoking "us vs them" (OP vs "so called progressives") division heavily throughout this thread.

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