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Here's another link https://sizeof.cat/post/twitch-leaks/

Looks real to me based on the archive I managed to download so far

You might want to delete that link. They've replaced it with something a little NSFW.

They block links that have HN as referer and redirect them to a NSFW image. But if you copy that URL and paste it in the browser it will work.

Hmmm. I thought I had something in Firefox (setting or addon) that didn't send referrers for external sites when you click-opened a link in a new tab. But it doesn't seem like it anymore.

There are a number of settings for this: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer

Thanks. Do you know if some of these break major websites if I move away from the default settings?

I've had a small number of sites break when not sending any referer. Can't remember any concrete examples off the top of my head though.

I was wondering why I didn't see anything, but I keep forgetting I drop all my referrer headers

Ah yes, the jwz policy

It's the exact same image, too. Feels like a ripoff, at least make your own dirty image!

What about the image is dirty? I don’t get it.

I think it's supposed to be a hairy testicle?

What's the legality of downloading something like this? If someone is on the torrent they're effectively distributing it as well as downloading.

If you're going to download it, I would probably use a VPN or something before you do. Technically, this would be copyright infringement. I don't know if Amazon would go after people downloading this, but you just don't know.

I think it would at least be the same as sharing other copyrighted content, whether or not the "hacking" part comes into it.

it depends which legislation you reside in, I believe most allow you downloading stuff like that as long as you don't reshare (uploading and sharing is the part where Amazon could go legally after you)

In the US, you're fine. The laws that exist barring possession of information largely revolve around copyright, CSAM, or classified information (only relevant if you have a clearance), and none of those really apply here.

Source code is copyrighted surely? You can't share ebooks just because the "source" is open and visible, copyright applies to all creative works.

There is fair use exceptions? I'm no expert here but Google says,

Since copyright law favors encouraging scholarship, research, education, and commentary, a judge is more likely to make a determination of fair use if the defendant's use is noncommercial, educational, scientific, or historical.

Probably fine for a journalist to argue, but I'd guess a tech guy saying it's "research" won't have much luck.

Amouranth making almost as much as shroud is insane and the fact that it's that high even after twitch's recent moves is telling.

The revenue only contains a few data points (below), things like TTS donations, 3rd party revenues like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazon Gifts and sponsorship deals are not included. Amouranth makes insane amounts from her OF alone (an estimate of 1 million $ per month based on an interview with investmenttalk). Odds are that she makes far more than him, same with a lot of other female streamers who know how to monetize themselves. Obviously the same (Patreon, sponsorships...) applies to male streamers but to a lesser extent.

'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross'

Oh yeah of course, twitch is probably a minority of her earnings. But what I think is more interesting is that Twitch's moves to make it easy for advertisers to opt out of streamers like her doesn't seem to have hurt her earnings all that much if she's still that high. Ofc it could be that ad revenue went down but sub revenue was way higher, which, again, is telling. Also could be that ad buyers didn't blink and continued paying for the hot tubs category. I think it points to a more plausible future for softcore streaming - there might be a market for stuff that's less explicit than camgirls, especially if that makes it easier for kids to access it. (I don't condone this, just think it's interesting.)

Prices for ads is very poor on twitch. The claim was that amouranth made "just" some ten thousand income with ads, which considering how many viewers she has is not that high. The majority of direct income on twitch comes from donations and subs. The bigger income comes indirectly from placements and cooperations outside of twitch, which of course are not part of the leak.

Twitch is not YouTube. For some reason they had for a long time big problems to get their ad-business running, especially outside the USA. It seems because of this the payment is low for streamers.

Don't open this link if you are in the middle of having a meal.

Paste it to a separate tab, then it works.

jwz doesn't like HN, you just need different referrer address

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