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I'm not sure what you're after here, but between your comments in this thread, the trollish username, and the fact that your account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle (or close), I've banned the account. Would you please not create accounts to break HN's rules with?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> To me it is rather the demand that certain beliefs may not be questioned that enables things like fascists rising to power

Holocaust is not a belief, it is a historical event that has already happened.

Pretty amazing that this is what gets downvoted in this site.

This entire comment section is maybe the clearest example I have seen in a long time of why so many other industries outside of tech kind of look at the tech scene as a amoralistic dumpster fire.

I never used to see the value of trying to include humanities as a part of a tech degree until a few years ago and now I think it can't happen fast enough.

So many of the arguments presented here wouldn't pass any kind of a 101 level class.

I strongly suspect you never had a 101 humanities class. Pretty sure "philosophy" is all about what you know and what you can and what you have to believe.

Maybe you confuse it with "Bible class 101", where you get told a set of moral rules that you are supposed to follow and never question, because they are supposedly given by god.

Still, I would be curious to hear your reasoning of why it is supposedly morally mandatory to believe in the Holocaust?

You would be curious to hear my reasoning for why it is morally mandatory to believe in objective reality?

> I think it should be possible to discuss even the details of the holocaust

Details of Holocaust are allowed to be discussed and are discussed regularly. Discussing details of holocaust and holocaust denier are two different things, turns out.

Paradox of tolerance; the only way to have a tolerant society is to be intolerant of intolerance. You have to make that exception or you lose the entire thing. Very much a “sorry not sorry” about “cancel culture”.

Popper didn't say to be intolerant of all intolerance, he said only to be intolerant of intolerance that cannot be countered by reasoned argument or kept in check by popular opinion. In no sense are far-right ideas "popular", and they are easily countered by reasoned arguments.

Popper's paradox of intolerance is probably the most misused and misquoted argument in online debates these past few years.

Except they are proving difficult to keep in check. January 6th was pivotal because 1. It's very lucky it didn't go in the other direction, 2. People watching learned a few lessons for the next time.

I disagree that they are difficult to keep in check. Jan 6th was a failure of capitol police and other law enforcement agencies. The mob that breached the capitol was around 800 people, which is easily managed by a small police force.

They had ample evidence that these protests would be in the tens of thousands. I'm sure you've seen the police presence for BLM protests, so I think the response here speaks for itself. I honestly don't see how this indicates the far-right are difficult to keep in check. It really shows that law enforcement didn't even try, either because they didn't believe they would become riotous or violent, or (hopefully not) for more nefarious reasons.

That's part of the issue though. Difficult to keep in check means militarizing our Capitol. That's not a good thing and is bad on many levels.

Why? There are over 1,500 capitol police officers. That's more than enough. Militarizing the capitol the way they did was total overkill; security theatre that they used to get a bigger budget.

Because security is an illusion, and theater is a part of that. January 6th shattered part of that illusion and, having happened, it is now a part of the consciousness. Every protest will now be a possible threat, a chance for fear to win. Until there is enough time passed for it to fade it must not be reproduced. Also, I don't want a situation where 1500 capitol police even have to defend our institutions. Getting to that point is already a major lose.

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