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Are people still allowed to learn from mistakes these days?

if they got on jet blue's list for being an asshole sure... let them try someplace else. but if they attacked flight crew? ban them across the board, for life.... no reason to ever need to hit a flight attendant, and they shouldn't have to live in fear from an aggressive passenger...

I think you missed the larger context and idea here. Have you ever made a mistake, say a speeding ticket? What if you could not do that thing again for the rest of your life? Is a criminal once a criminal forever? Why do we let people out of prison?

Note, the vast majority of airline "unruliness" is verbal not physical

A criminal once is a criminal forever.

I don't agree with that idea, but that's effectively how things work, you might find exceptions to the rule, but once your reputation is tainted with a legal charge, it follows you forever within society.

So forgiveness is gone forever?

Hopefully not, but at the present moment everyone* in society is calling for blood over every little* thing.

*Not literally, but it feels that way/my perceived experience.

I agree, Joe Rogan closed a recent podcast with a great thought on this.

Paraphrasing, we are all Americans, we need to remember that though we have different views we have far more in common and we can only get better by coming together.

> Have you ever made a mistake, say a speeding ticket?

The vast majority of motorists have exceeded the posted speed limit intentionally or not. But only a small minority will get into a physical altercation with the police officer that's issuing a citation.

Hence the idea that most unruliness is verbal not physical.

Most airline incidents do not involve physical altercation, yet you could get banned from all airlines?

That would be like getting a traffic ticket and having your license revoked. Typically that happens with repeat infractions

I would be surprised to see even a single example of a person getting belligerent enough to a flight crew to get put on an airline's ban list, who then goes and does the exact same thing at another airline.

I would surmise that most people are going to be extremely regretful after the reality of the first incident sets in. And even those that somehow don't accept being in the wrong, are still going to realize that fighting another battle on a different plane isn't an effective path to their goal.

I'd say that making passenger bans more uniform is actually just another part of the trend of hyperreality that is causing hysteria in the first place.

Mistakes have consequences, doesn't mean you can't still learn from them.

One can just as easily flip this massive generalization: are people still supposed to face consequences these days?

They’re adults. They’re more than capable of knowing the consequences and acting accordingly. I’ve been on over 100 flights. I’ve never seen an incident in person. Most people behave. The children kicking the seats are common enough, let’s not encourage adult tantrums.

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