Comment by ilamont | Hacker News Reader

Comment by ilamont | Hacker News Reader

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The following is a list of countries which, on at least one occasion, have recognized the World Passport on a "de facto" basis, by stamping a national visa and/or entry/exit stamp.

It's a stretch to interpret one-off stamps in various countries to recognition of the world passport as a legitimate travel document. "Passports" based on strongly held beliefs about identity (global, regional, tribal, or otherwise) as opposed to national citizenship and the legal frameworks that underpin international travel almost always run into the cold, hard reality of border-crossing procedures, as holders of passports created by North American tribes discovered some years ago:

"Native American nations debate sovereignty after Iroquois passport dispute"

https://www.deseret.com/2010/7/17/20128594/native-american-n...)

"My six nation Haudenosaunee passport is not a 'fantasy document'"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/30/my-six...

> strongly held beliefs about identity

Not an expert on US tribal law, but US-recognized tribes have signed treaties as 'nations' with the US federal government; membership and 'nationhood' is therefore more than just a 'belief', and has some level of legal legitimacy and status within the commonly agreed upon system of treaties underlying international travel

obviously not enough for it to count for too much, even domestically, but - main point - this isn't just a 'belief' from a legal perspective as is/would be in the case of this 'world passport'.

You are correct. Tribal nations are recognized as such by the United States.

If the tribal nations are indeed states, then they would have to open diplomatic relationships with the UK to get their passports recognized. In that case, the USA is a third party and not responsible for their recognition.

If in turn the US government manages to get the UK to accept their passport, then this would be evidence that the tribes are not sovereign regarding international law.

I dunno what they expected. Even if it was recognized at one point it’s not recognized any more now.

A passport is only as useful as it’s acceptance, and that’s been true for centuries.

> "Passports" based on strongly held beliefs about identity (global, regional, tribal, or otherwise) as opposed to national citizenship and the legal frameworks

Those are also just strongly held beliefs, only they're held by people with more power.

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