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What if the downside was well studied and not reported on?

[1] https://media.patriots.win/post/nWnEYVAL.jpeg

Presenting that table without an applicable denominator is misleading. The N on the table is a count of adverse events, not of people or does. The reported events occurred at a rate of between ~5 and ~70 per million doses administered for the highlighted age groups. Higher than background risk? Yes. High risk? No.

The CDC saw roughly 1300 cases of myocarditis or myopericarditis reported in mRNA vaccine recipients under 29 years old, after administering 52 million doses to that same age group, a minuscule risk and one much lower than that presented by COVID-19. [1]

And even then, in those cases, the vast majority resolve on their own with minimal medical intervention. [2]

But hey, have a link to the CDC source of that presentation so you don’t have to go to that .win site anymore to find your sources. They’re pretty bad at sourcing information over there [3]

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8321962/

[3] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

From the latest data it looks like the CDC was undercounting: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v...

> Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence.

In short, COVID-19 is not very dangerous for younger people. So much so that the vaccine appears to pose a greater health risk.

They aren't comparing apples and apples. CAE occured at all for vaccine, vs. 120+ day stay in hospital for covid.

And of course they removed those with comorbidities, who are exactly the ones who are worse affected by covid than the vaccine.

Lies, damn lies and statistics?

Breakdown of how that preprint fails: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dumpster-diving-in-vaers-do...

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-va...

“patriots.win” was a solid red flag.

I'm not familiar with "patriots.win” but the table image linked above is an accurate excerpt from this CDC presentation. The mRNA vaccines have caused a higher than expected rate of adverse cardiac events in young males. I encourage everyone to read the whole file for context.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

Yes. I’m aware.

Context is everything, and the scientific community does not deem this concern catastrophic.

I invite you to visit that website (patriots…) if you want to see some spectacular bullshit.

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