It's not that complicated -
No one has died getting their immunity from the vaccine, but lots die in the process of getting natural immunity from the actual virus.
The vaccine is a much safer way to get your antibodies going.
No one has died getting their immunity from the vaccine, but lots die in the process of getting natural immunity from the actual virus.
The vaccine is a much safer way to get your antibodies going.
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Agreed. And unfortunately the last 18-24 months seem to indicate that things labeled conspiracy theories have a habit of becoming at the very least "plausible" or outright "true" (lab leak theory being perhaps the largest example).
It's disturbing. All censorship is wrong, unless it's directly protecting someone from harm (e.g. doxxing or CSAM)
Wow. Really? No one? There are 13k+ COVID-19 vaccine related deaths on VAERS alone.
Those are ONLY the ones that have been certified and given a permanent VAERS number (as opposed to a temporary VAERS number that is given out initially).
The report submission process is time consuming, most of those are submitted by doctors and it's a crime to submit false info as well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-vaers-idUS...
> According to CDC guidance listed on its page reporting adverse events from COVID-19 vaccines, seen here , there have been 6,340 reports of death (0.0019%) recorded from December 14, 2020, to July 26, 2021 "among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine." It is important to note that the "FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it is unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.”
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
They clearly have an agenda and many also have conflicts of interest.
They pretend that just because they call themselves "fact checkers" it automatically makes everything they say true. They have nameless faceless self-proclaimed "experts" that often make a straw man and "fact check" the straw man as false and call it a day.
And a naive person just googles a few keywords, sees the - usually first link - "Fact-check: that thing you were told is totally wrong" article and thinks "Hah! Fact checkers say it's false! Debunked misinformation again!"
Big pharma has billions of dollars of interests to protect. The average so called "anti vax" person has nothing to gain or lose from whether other people do or don't take a vaccine. So a rational person should not so easily accept the commercial propaganda pushed by these companies.
Secondly health care professionals submit the report when they have reason to believe that it is a "vaccine adverse event". Otherwise the "event" is not relevant, the person will not even consider or bother to make the report to begin with.
"even if it is unclear whether the vaccine was the cause" part is a technicality because yes at the time they are submitting it "is not clear" if vaccine is indeed the cause and it is to be investigated.
They will then contact the person that submitted it and if it's a valid report they will assign a permanent number to the report.
There are many obstacles to submitting the report. And since it is voluntary it is under counting.
In Australia 9 deaths are officially accepted as vaccine-related. Again unlike with covid they do anything they can to keep this number low. It is a minimum.
I don't claim to know what the actual number is but it absolutely positively is not ZERO.
I completely reject your premise that the covid statistics are shoddy. It's easy to confirm a covid case. You do a PCR test, and if you get a positive back it's covid, end of story. It's admittedly a bit trickier to attribute a covid death... but not really. If a covid patient dies of a heart attack, it could be bad luck, or it could be the disease that coagulates its victims' blood. But usually it's pretty obvious. Someone dying of pneumonia and/or a cytokine storm isn't exactly subtle. There's nothing in the overall death statistics that suggest that the obvious covid deaths are anything but the obvious.
By comparison, establishing a casual connection between a vaccine and any adverse side effects is incredibly difficult, simply because they're so rare. Of the 44000 people in the Pfizer trials, literally none of them died of covid OR the vaccine, vs 15 covid deaths in the unvaccinated control group. And VAERS is just a safety net in case something small-but serious slips through the statistical power of a full scientific study (as happened with the J&J vaccine).
Someone else summarized it as "Being in the hospital with covid is not the same as being in the hospital because of covid"
Regardless, your objection is irrelevant to the comparison you've tried to make with VAERS. The COVID statistics are a sweeping accounting of common, obvious events that are easy to verify. VAERS, by contrast, is designed for hinting at the sort of literal one-in-a-millon range events that controlled medical trials can sometimes miss, where determining cause and effect is difficult. They're different tools for different jobs. Trying to apply standards from one to the other is simply spurious.
VAERS is not an internet comment box.