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Some other news in relation to the release:

- (Proposal) Moving JDK LTS versions to a two year cadence [1]. Java 21 will be next LTS instead of Java 23.

- Oracle JDK is now free for commercial and production use [2].

- A new Java developer site [3].

[1] https://mreinhold.org/blog/forward-even-faster

[2] https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/free-java-license

[3] https://dev.java/

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Thanks for the Dev.java mention. Our team is excited to launch the site. We focused on minimal design (similar to Inside.java) and heavy on content, mostly learning material to start. More to come soon. Feedback here is welcome!

The responsiveness seems broken because of the "try java" editor. Try it on your phone and you'll see you can move the page horizontally and most of it is blank.

Thanks ya, fixing that up now.

edit: fixed

The RSS-feed seems to be missing: https://dev.java/feed.xml (Linked in the footer.)

doh... no RSS feed yet, removed.

It looks nice, it's very readable and reacts well to zoom/unzoom. That's a great website, congrats!

Great new site Chad! more blogs, tutorials, articles and possibly community contibutons around the same would be awesome to see :)

Thanks Suyash! External contributions, or at least a more formalized system for feedback, is in the planning stages already.

Another license change for the official oracle jdk? What's the trap this time? :-O

I am confused by the license. The way I read it, a "bundling" with commercially licensed Software is forbidden, that is, you can't ship the JRE along with a product that you are selling. So your users will face rxtra installation steps

They are, however, making a commitment to scripting friendly URLs for the JDK downloads, making it feasible to automate the install.

Still, it is pretty lame, since they've been advocating bundling of the JDK since they deprecated the WebStart.

OTOH, since Oracle JDK and OpenJDK are identical save for branding and licensing, not sure why you wouldn't just bundle an OpenJDK build in that case.

This new license seems to be targeted to two main groups: those who depend upon a "system" install of Oracle Java for running third party apps, and those who are for some reason unwilling to use OpenJDK.

JRE stopped existing in Java 8. The idea now is you "link" a JVM for your app, which customizes and optimizes it. Then you ship both together. It's the fully supported way and has no license implications.

Seems like the new Oracle JDK license is a lot more flexible than before. In reality it's kind of cosmetic because lots of people were using the (100% compatible) Amazon or Azul spins, or just regular OpenJDKs.

So the comments above seem to indicate that bundling 'JRE' with an app requires a license. Are you indicating that post-java8 model which builds a 'Custom JRE', and distributing that with your app does not require a license?

Correct. It doesn't count as either a JDK or JRE once linked.

Or you can pay to license the JRE and include it.

Only JDK 17 is free. Earlier versions are not.

Of the Oracle branded JDK releases, only version 17 (so far) is free.

OpenJDK (which is built from functionally the same source code) has been free under GPL v2.1 + Classpath Exception for a while now.

Probably they got too much flak and a drop in market share (aka companies uninstalling Java, which they probably track in the uninstaller)...

> Oracle JDK is now free for commercial and production use.

Hopefully, developers have learned to avoid Oracle like a plague after the last absolute licensing failure with JDK that caused all the FUD.

There are plenty of reasons to avoid Oracle, but I’m not sure what about the previous licensing change was a failure. OpenJDK builds have always been free (and provided by Oracle).

The community terribly overreacted and misunderstood the nature of that change, and indeed caused a lot of FUD.

2 year LTS is exciting! Hopefully the other vendors follow suit.

JDK being free for commercial use is fantastic news, no more juggling open JDK repos now

Why? I always downloaded openjdk which was free for few years.

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