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Because it's really not a huge win for Apple, it's more of a huge loss because of what they lost on, and it's not really a huge loss for Epic, because iOS market revenue is meaningless in their operations.

Devs could, for example, charge a higher price if you buy it via the AppStore and a lower price if you complete the purchase on their website. It potentially removes a significant portion of Apple's cut for IAP. Apple also has to figure our how to collect the "commission", which could lead to devs not working with Apple in the future. Apple will have a hard time appealing because the appeals court could rule against them on the counts they already won on. That's why it's not seen as a huge win for Apple.

Epic has to pay a meaningless amount of money (a few million dollars they'll make back up in a few days) and is barred from a platform they didn't care about in the first place. Non-US regulators are also looking into Apple's handling of the AppStore, which means Apple could still be forced to make changes in line with what Epic was arguing. This is why it isn't a huge loss for Epic.

It is a huge win for Apple. They lost nothing and regardless if companies use IAP or not, Apple is still legally entitled to take the commission from the developers.

> Devs could, for example, charge a higher price if you buy it via the AppStore and a lower price if you complete the purchase on their website. It potentially removes a significant portion of Apple's cut for IAP.

Again, even if they charge a higher price on the IAP and lower on the website, Apple is still entitled to charge the commission regardless if they use IAP or not. The judgement clearly states that 'Under all models, Apple would be entitled to a commission or licensing fee, even if IAP was optional' [0] (p68)

On Epic's side they lost the antitrust argument which was the whole point of filing this lawsuit. Apple already made the changes to mentioning links for paying outside of the App Store before this ruling was made.

Nothing has changed on the commission side for Apple and Epic still cannot allow their own billing system in Fortnite, thus they are still banned on the App Store even after admitting being in breach of the App Store rules and must pay for those damages. Meaningless or not.

So actually, Apple still wins and it is a huge win.

[0] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21060631-apple-epic-...

It's appealed, so this is a moot point.

Both Epic and Apple have the right to appeal. And your point is?

As it stands, Epic lost and Apple is still entitled to the commission even if you use IAP or not and regardless if you change the pricing on the website to be cheaper than the IAP.

Apple was not found to have broken anti-trust laws which was the basis of Epic's argument and Apple already addressed the anti-steering count before the decision of this lawsuit.

Either way, Apple is still getting paid and Apple still wins.

EDIT: Why did you delete your comment? Care to explain what was wrong with it?

   > You seem to be really invested in this in an unhealthy way.

That is the reality of the result of the lawsuit and it was a clear win for Apple, assuming you read the judgement on (p68).

It's not that hard to understand that is it?

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