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That unvaccinated people are higher risk of getting and spreading Covid? I agree, although I'm not sure what is the significance of the 4:1 ratio. Ontario's numbers suggest a risk ratio closer to 7:1 or 8:1 right now.

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Ok clearly you don't want to discuss this honestly if you want to hand-wave away the fact that unvaccinated people have much stricter testing requirements and as a consequence are tested substantially more often.

No you are right, reported cases alone can't tell the full picture. Mandatory testing can skew the numbers and probably undercounts vaccinated people. Same if vaccinated people are significantly more likely to be asymptomatic and therefore have no reason to voluntarily go get tested (but if that is the case, it brings us back to "pandemic of the unvaccinated" to some extent).

The breakdown is similar on weekends, holidays, etc which suggests that mandatory testing does not skew the numbers significantly in Ontario at least.

But as I said: reported cases blah blah, they paint a fairly clear picture to me but there is a lot of complexity there.

What about ICU numbers?

If you're interested in my opinion on efficacy wrt severe outcomes please see my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28460959

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