Please don't take HN threads further into predictable flamewar hell. We're trying for something else here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It has human DNA unique from the mother and, in this case, an independent heartbeat. To the minds of the people supporting this law, that makes it alive, with its own rights independent of the mother's.

Their argument, as such, is that it isnt a matter of reproductive healthcare at all, but murder. I know of a few states that would file multiple murder charges in the case of killing a pregnant woman, for example.

All the comparisons to a handmaidens tale, yelling about womens rights and reporductive health will never change their mind... No different than the accusations of Larry Elder being a white supremacist.

I strongly support abortion but this is the dumbest argument there is. You're just perscribing new meanings to the words alive and life that almost nobody shares with the subset of people who do this, which by the way excludes biologists. Abortions kill living human animals and there are many good reasons why abortions are justified, but not being alive isn't one of them. Everything that applies to a fetus also applies to a coma patient dependent on life support. If you want arguments that don't suck then look at bodily autonomy, health (including mental), self-defense, etc. instead of attempting to water down concepts to support your position. Seriously fallacious, sad to see it's so popular.