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Aren’t these Subreddit rules? They’re nothing to do with Reddit the company are they? Can’t you go to another Subreddit if you don’t like the rules in one?

Ban evasion is a reddit wide rule. First one sounds subreddit specific.

Ban evasion seems fine to prevent abuse.

Subreddit rules against name calling seem fine if that’s what they want to do in their own space.

What’s the big deal?

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That’s what I asked.

Maybe it's just me, but I think running into a Korea-specific subreddit and calling people "Moonies" is something you do if you want to get banned.

> using the term "moonies"(President Moon has a cult-like following in Korea, celebrity-power based politics) in a cheeky, teasing manner

I mean, referring to Koreans by the name of a maligned cult they are not necessarily affiliated with (Moonies = Unification Movement) is racism, even if you think you're being "cheeky" about it.

> I made a new account to circumvent the ban

And you're certainly not supposed to do that.

> Definitely 1984 vibes

Not even a tiny bit.

I'm Korean... and I feel perfectly justified in calling people out for cult-like adherence to their party politicians to the extent of accusing a victim of sexual harassment as political agents.

You sound like those people that think weed should be illegal because gov said so.

But you can say all this without resorting to name calling. I can understand why communities reject name callers.

Agreed.

> now my ip is shadowbanned for circumventing the reddit policy of not creating new account to post on subs you are banned from.

That's frustrating. You wanted to politely share your opinion on local politics in a popular forum and now you can't even create a new subreddit. I made reveddit [1] to allow users to review moderator actions on reddit. Maybe you can use that to research how you think that subreddit is biased and then share your analysis on another site. The history [2] and subreddit [3] pages may be helpful.

[1] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq

[2] https://www.reveddit.com/v/korea/top/

[3] https://www.reveddit.com/v/korea/

I'm really glad you made this and posted it here, it's massively important to shine light on how much social engineering power rests with a handful of users:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28312261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23173018

Even if subs all had different moderators, reddit's secret removal system [1] gives them more influence over discourse than I think most people realize.

Consider, would you want someone to do this to you? I can't imagine any regular reddit users agreeing to allow everyone to secretly remove each other's content.

[1] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#need

thanks, this is great work.

You're welcome! Feel free to post in r/reveddit if you have any questions or feedback.

https://www.reddit.com/r/reveddit

just wanted to thank you again. I'm just on the verge of diving into studying coding as a career, and seeing what you did with your skills to make an entire product to "fight the powers be" truly inspired me to learn to build things.

Haha great! You'll be glad you got into it. You can do a lot with a little effort. This project began as a 100-line tampermonkey script.

There are a surprising number of things you can work on that nobody else is doing, or that could be improved with your unique point of view. Of course you need to spend some time building your skills, but the tools are improving which makes it easier to build useful things. It can be hard to get your ideas heard while working for someone else, and having a side project can let you explore your creative side. My take on "fighting the powers" is we are all susceptible to bias, greed, etc, and we can put our faith in open systems that allow us to see when these human factors have run amuck.

Isn't this the feature/point of Reddit though? Reddit itself having little moderation/rules (though, they're moderate the whole site more and more), and lets communities moderate themselves to impose whatever rules they want to?

I spent 2017-2019 posting/arguing with people on /r/korea almost every day, and I was really... inflammatory sometimes. Never got banned. As someone else points out, you probably deserved at least a temp ban for the "moonies" thing. It's a bit different than your average political sneer word.

The shadowban sucks, though. Usually, the trick is to come back on a new account, and keep your head down for a while (and, if appropriate, try not to do the things you were banned for). That goes for all the subreddits I've been on. People will notice if you're a single-purpose commenter, back on a new account.

Also... (oh god, this is like smoking a cigarette after years off them)... it has always been so funny to me that this flag of "censorship" has suddenly been taken up by certain elements/people in the Korean political discourse, in light of the fact that there has never been a time when there was no censorship of Korean media. Lee Myung-bak? The removal of all those Daum comments? Every Korean administration has used the KCSC and attendant powers like a cudgel.

Your comments in that thread show either an unintentional or deliberate ignorance of the history of this stuff in the ROK.

"Free speech" type arguments currently being levelled at the Moon administration are a joke in the Korean political context. There is no free speech in the ROK and there never has been. Remember PGH's blacklists of artists etc for being pro-North? Remember that guy who had his house raided for using NK propaganda posters in memes? There has never been any free speech, freedom from censorship, etc, in the ROK. And most people there actually don't seem to mind. Or else they do mind, but it depends on who's in power. That's their business. They're the polity. But these claims of sudden "censorship" are lies by omission, because there is literally no time in the history of the ROK state at which the press has been anything like "free" in the western sense. It's all political ebb and flow.

Unless Moon Jae-in's critics would be willing to join me in calling for the KCSC to remove the internet blocks on North Korean content (or the ones on porn for that matter), any claims of censorship/free access to information/free speech will just look like political opportunism. It's "do as I say, not as I do" stuff. The election of every new president brings legal trials for the previous one, or at least for members of the previous president's administration. And so it goes...

so RSF/UNHRC/Le Monde all just being ignorant I take it? lol

I have no interest in debating someone that thinks SK shouldn't be blocking NK contents, a sorry piece of dystopian communist-authoritarian country SK is still in war with? are you kidding me?

You'll find that those types of foreign concerns about freedom of the press in Korea go back a really long way, and are not limited to the current administration.

>I have no interest in debating someone that thinks SK shouldn't be blocking NK contents, a sorry piece of dystopian communist-authoritarian country SK is still in war with?

Okay, so you do believe in censorship, correct? But only for your political opponents.

Censorship vs countries you are in war with is basic self-defense.

I don't advocate censorship vs politics I disagree with. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, given my entire post lol.

>Censorship vs countries you are in war with is basic self-defense.

You think that people in Seoul, eating their 삼겹살, will look at some North Korean site and suddenly decide that what they really want is to go eat grass in the north during the next famine? As I'm sure you're aware, censorship of northern stuff in the ROK isn't just for NK ip addresses, it's for information in libraries. Where's the basic self-defence in denying historians access to primary sources?

You do believe in censorship, just for ideas that you disagree with.

edit: I recognise your username from the old days on /r/korea now actually... One of the mods on there must have finally had enough. You've been single-issue posting for like four years now, bro.

Have a good one.

I believe in censorship when there is a war going on. Yes. Shocking, I know.

You sound terribly naive about nature of PsyOPs NK runs in SK. They are smarter and more subtle than that.

most recently: https://www.bbc.com/korean/news-58112280

p.s) "So What you are saying is.." lol great tactic.

I get why this guy got banned. This sort of comment with name-calling is flamebait/controversial political stuff.

They ban inflammatory comments like this. No wonder you got banned for circumventing the ban.

If you didn't follow the subreddit rules, you deserved it.

/r/india (and /r/indiaspeaks) also bans even mildly opposing view points. I got banned from /r/india for saying that the sub is out of touch with the real world.

AFAIK they don't perm ban IPs, they device ban, probably using some form of fingerprinting.

given that "haha jit go brrrrr" I would presume they do. Why wouldn't they?

That's an epidemic among other subreddits too. My banning story from r/Conservative is similar. I got banned for reminding a Trump quote, that was about it. I also got the same "we owe you nothing more than that" attitude when I objected. https://twitter.com/esesci/status/1432377896903925760