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Are you suggesting that regulators can force Apple to give away their stuff for free if they want to participate in that market? That doesn't sound right to me.

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The thought that a government could force your favorite, richest, international megacorporation might feel not right to you, but that is actually how the world works. Apple does not get to dictate how its products are available, no matter how much they would like to.

They are free, however to not come sell in places it feels the rules are unfair towards it.

You seem to be making a weird argument. Obviously Apple isn't allowed to sell a smartphone that contains a large chunk of plutonium, or that is fake and doesn't actually contain any electronics. There are limits to what corporations can do.

But they are free to choose the price. They can sell the next iPhone for $10,000 if they really wanted. Perfectly legal.

They are free to choose under which terms they license their intellectual property to third parties, so long as those terms are lawful.

No no no no. I'm making the argument that if the people of Ohgodplsnoistan pass a law that forbids Apple to sell their phone for anything above $200, that is legal. And that Apple can either cry and sell to my population of two people, or exit this market. In the same way, the government of Plsnoistan decides what is a legal license and what is not. Hell, I can pass a law that requires Apple to give out a free cookie to anyone buying one of their phones.

The point of all this is, Apple has absolutely no say in any of this. They are free to set the terms of their sales according to the law in the country, and that is it. It doesn't get anything more.

I think we agree? I'm confused. Here's what I wrote a few posts up, I'm not sure how this disagrees with what you said just now:

> > > Are you suggesting that regulators can force Apple to give away their stuff for free if they want to participate in that market?

It seems your answer is yes.

No, Apple is free to stop operating in countries with such regulators. No business activity => No violation of competition-related regulations.

Yes, regulators can do that, and they would have pretty clear antitrust grounds to do it as well.

The difference between random people using the GPL and Apple is that Apple is worth a trillion dollars. That matters quite a bit.

It matters if you're making an emotional argument, but I'm not sure it's relevant to any legal argument.

Antitrust regulators don't care about the size of the trusts they're meant to regulate? Interesting.

I am genuinely confused what your point is. Are you saying that "the difference between random people using the GPL and Apple is" nobody is making billions of dollars from GPL code? That it's an anti-trust violation which is ignored because nobody is making any money?

Why yes, regulators can force Apple to do what they want in their country. And they can very easily dictate how much Apple is allowed to charge for licensing. Fair licensing agreements already exist in the patent space.

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