https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/264449/
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2013/03/04/please-s...
It’s a bit late to delete these subs anyway it’s been two years of Covid almost.
2: Better late than never. ICUs are reaching capacity again, especially in areas with low vaccination rates. There is a light at the end of the proverbial tunnel, but we are still in the tunnel.
Edit: de-amped versions of the above links
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2013/03/04/please-s...
Nearly 100 years ago Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., voting to uphold the Espionage Act conviction of a man who wrote and circulated anti-draft pamphlets during World War I, said “[t]he most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.”
That flourish — now usually shortened to “shout fire in a crowded theater” — is the media’s go-to trope to support the proposition that some speech is illegal. But it’s empty rhetoric. I previously explained at length how Holmes said it in the context of the Supreme Court’s strong wartime pro-censorship push and subsequently retreated from it. That history illustrates its insidious nature. Holmes cynically used the phrase as a rhetorical device to justify jailing people for anti-war advocacy, an activity that is now (and was soon thereafter) unquestionably protected by the First Amendment.
https://www.thefire.org/popehat-on-the-medias-most-common-pr...
In practice I don’t think banning NoNewNormal now matters much. I prefer unbanned because I don’t like censorship, but this isn’t a slippery slope problem, Reddit has long been free falling into the latrine pit. I’ve had to go offsite with my old Reddit community. Efforts can be made, but I think the entire process here is useless.
The Supreme Court case in which this saying originated was one where someone advocated protesting the draft. He spoke truths, and gave advice and opinions. He did not spread disinformation.
Regarding your second statement, deplatforming works to an extent. People do not change their minds, but they do lose influence over the larger conversation.
That said fire in a crowded analogy is terrible, it refers to a legal standard that was overturned and was about jailing people for pacifist literature during WW1
Let's not pretend that "we just want NNN to enforce these policies and we're fine" is going to satisfy the critics here. This seems to be a boilerplate complaint that is lodged against any sub that is attacked for obvious political reasons.