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>I’m wondering what the odds are that people will pivot from “it’s experimental” to “it was rushed due to politics/greed”.

Disclaimer: I am fully vax, so not the target audience.

The subject is worth discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine#History

RNA vaccines have decades of failures. Following the normal drug approval processes 100% of RNA attempts have failed.

The only reason we got the vaccine today is because various governments got 'emergency approval' and therefore skipping why they have failed for decades.

Why is it banned to discuss this? Why is it unreasonable for people to be cautious about this vaccine?

I know many people who are against this vaccine who historically do get the flu shot and the normal vaccines. Are they being unreasonable? Shouldn't we be allowed to discuss such things?

The censorship over 'covid misinformation' and banning discussion over these reasonable discussions... is in of itself reason to not get it.

Not to mention how many times has Fauci been caught lying now? Lets not discuss stuff like gain of function. Just straight up lies that have been admitted to?

>I think a huge factor will be how many employers, colleges, etc. are now willing and legally able to require vaccination. It’s one thing to say you trust something you read on Facebook more than your doctor and quite another to walk away from a job because of it.

Now being coercive on top of this?

I think it's pretty reasonable to discuss some issues. Yet for some reason we have come here.

What I find most sad about your post is that you had to open by stating your vaccination status. So we effectively reached a point where you are only allowed to be critical of vaccination after you got yourself a shot. This is so weird and frightening, I dont know what to say. Things said and claimed by all sides in the past 1 1/2 years have made me really stop believe in humanity. It feels like a bad dream or a strange fiction story. One of these were you end up fully immersed. And you want to wake up, but this time, you realize you can't.

People are seriously writing here that they think if people are being fired, that pressure will "hopefully change their minds". Are you aware how cruel you are? You wish someone to loose their income just because they dont have the same opinion then you? When did this happen? When did we start to produce people like this? When did we stop to care? Did I really miss this wave of right-wing-minded people hiding on the left side?

> When did we start to produce people like this?

They've always been there but Covid and the ensuing hysteria has brought the authoritarians out of the woodwork. They're loud and proud right now.

> Did I really miss this wave of right-wing-minded people hiding on the left side?

Authoritarianism isn't unique to one side of the aisle and this comment speaks to the decades of FUD being spread by those on the left that anyone who isn't lockstep with the progressive agenda is "literally hitler".

>What I find most sad about your post is that you had to open by stating your vaccination status.

The political status of this website requires me to disclaimer. I expect even with the disclaimer I will be attacked regardless. If not downvoted to the point that my words are hidden. Which isn't much of a prediction because this post is already downvoted.

>This is so weird and frightening, I dont know what to say. Things said and claimed by all sides in the past 1 1/2 years have made me really stop believe in humanity.

Political status/motivation. I wouldn't let it damage your position in humanity.

>People are seriously writing here that they think if people are being fired, that pressure will "hopefully change their minds". Are you aware how cruel you are? You wish someone to loose their income just because they dont have the same opinion then you? When did this happen? When did we start to produce people like this? When did we stop to take?

Don't go on reddit and look at this. They are cheering as antivaxxers are getting covid and dying. They are ecstatic to see people losing their jobs because of vaccination status. 6% of people cant get the vaccine but they dont care.

I dont feel it is really relevant how many people "can" get the vaccine. First of all, if you can/should get it with your current medical condition is also a fluid thing. One doctor might advice against, another might advice you to get the shot anyway. So this is no clear cut number. There is also the social pressure. So someone might be adviced by their doctor to not get the shot, but they feel so much peer pressure that they decide to take the risk anyway. Ignoring all these issues and claiming their might be a clear cut number just underlines the complete lack of empathy and understanding of how humans work.

The point is that vaccination is still not mandatory, but vaxed people behave towards unvaxed as if it were.

But whats most devastating about all of this is that it made anxious people go fully nuts and break out of their protective shell. I have an axious mother, so I know a bit or two about how anxiety can have bad effects on the people surrounding the anxious. Most of these people were able to "hide" most of their issues and be mostly functioning humans. The pandemic has changed them into little political activists, and has destroyed most of their remaining true social connections. I cant be bothered to spend time if over-anxious people anymore. Life is too short.

reddit consists mostly of edgy teenagers that have absolutely no experience with real life. The NH community would do well to start putting it out of its' mind.

TBH I'm pretty disappointed to see the commentary on HN cite reddit and wikipedia as often as they do.

Can you please provide the source for the 6% figure? Thanks.

I took J&J and I agree with you. Why can't be people be scared. I don't judge anyone who won't take the vaccine.

I will say that we should have focused more on treatments instead of vaccines and then had a more traditional vaccine built on proven technology. Then we could have gotten everyone protected at the same time, stopping the variants.

J&J and AZ are more traditional vaccines. People have been looking for treatments hence the HCQ and invermectin investigations. Look at how long it took them to make steroids a standard treatment option. We now have a variant that is more contagious (delta) I’m waiting for the variant that is more deadly.

A virus doesn't become more contagious and deadly. It can only do one or the other. Think good, fast, cheap in programing terms. Pick 2.

> A virus doesn't become more contagious and deadly.

This is a misconception actually. It really just depends. It is fair to say that if a virus is more deadly in a shorter time period it is less likely to become more contagious, but it isn't necessarily true.

Especially with viruses like COVID-19 which are spreadable before symptoms start.

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