Jeez, what was these vaccines meant for originally?
Just wanted to expose a flaw in this logic that seem to be repeated Ad nauseam
The more people are vaccinated the less people will become infected and will be spread the virus at any time. The less people are spreaders the less breakthrough infections can happen. It is a feedback loop and not really hard to understand.
If the intend to ban smoking in a population was to reduce the incidence of lung cancer, and the incidence does not drop after smoking ban, then ban was useless.
"Why stop hitting people with cars when the people hit don't die in 100% of cases ?"
The hospitalisation rates are way lower than any previous wave but the law of big numbers still apply at some point... And the Delta variant is clearly a game change here.
Finally, Israel is in a peculiar position because they have vaccinated - relatively speaking - quite a while ago so protection migh be indeed waning and the overall % is not that high (pretty surprised tbh).
As per https://spectator.com.au/2021/08/most-covid-patients-at-isra...
>Dr Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, stated that the majority of coronavirus patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease.
>Dr Haviv further specified that: “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated,” adding “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people” and the hospital is “opening more and more COVID wards.” This has led him to conclude that “the effectiveness of the vaccine is fading out.”
Note that I am not point out the fact that 95% is vaccinated. But that they are still overwhelming the hospitals, so it seems that your point no longer hold.
Also from the same article
> In other words, the TGA never saw or requested the patient data from Pfizer and simply accepted their reporting of their study as true.This means that when the head of the TGA John Skerritt said that “the safety evidence is pretty thorough” on February 6, his words would ring hollow to most Australians who have assumed, rightly or wrongly, that the TGA had actually looked at the patient data before granting any such approval. As noted by Doctors for Covid Ethics on its website, it is currently not known whether any of the major government agencies around the globe (FDA, MHRA or EMA) has independently verified, or attempted to verify, Pfizer’s data, before proceeding with provisional/emergency authorisation of Pfizer’s mRNA therapy vaccine.
Even if Dr Haviv is correct and the protection offered by the Pfizer vaccine is only valid for 7/8 months, many lives have still been saved in the meantime (Israel got almost no cases and deaths in Q2 2021 for example).
I guess more data is required to see how it goes but it is ackowledged that not all the vaccines have lifetime effects and some only work against specific variant (like the flu one).
To finish, I would like to reiterate that the Delta variant is a game changer so a quote from February needs to be taken with a grain of salt because the situation has changed completely since then.
"Pfizer Violation Tracker"
Umm, of course?
If we had a vaccine for e.g. the flu, that cut hospitalizations in half, we would call that effective. Or maybe not - effective here is a very vague word. We'd more correctly say "this vaccine reduces hospitalizations by 50%".
If it were a particularly bad flu season and literally everyone got the flu (as well as everyone getting vaccinated), hospitals would be overwhelmed, because cutting in half isn't enough. But that wouldn't change the base fact - this hypothetical vaccine cut hospitalizations in half.