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It's good because now Apple employees have a ton of reasons to question their employer and quit.

Apple:

- Isn't going to be remote work friendly.

- Shut down internal polls on compensation.

- Bows to the FBI, CIA, FSB, CCP.

- Treats its customers as criminals.

- Treats its employees as criminals.

- (Spies on both!)

- Doesn't let customers repair their devices or use them as they'd like.

- Closes up (not opens up) the world of computing. Great synergy with the spy dragnet.

Take your time and talent elsewhere. This bloated whale is bad for the world. There are a lot of good jobs out there that pay well and help society.

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OK? So why do you want the privacy focused employees to quit? It sounds like that would only make the problem worse.

Quitting IS a form of protesting the administrative decisions. Joining a company that does respect privacy IS a form of exercising one's own values in one's employment.

So you end up selecting for a company full of spineless yes-people. The logic makes zero sense to me. Apple isn’t going away anytime soon and the best opportunities for change will come from consistent internal pressure.

This sounds noble in theory, but did it work in this case?

Of course we might not know of cases that got resolved by internal pressure, because they got resolved, however we do know this was not one of them.

This is all so true, all please quit Apple. (so there will be some openings for me)

Why would you want to work there? For money?

Everyone who's working a non-volunteer position is doing it for the money. So, obviously, yes.

There's a facade that we really work for other reasons, and money is just an inconvenient byproduct. During a job interview, you may be asked "Why do you want to work for us?". And for some reason "So I can afford to buy food" is not a good answer.

> Everyone who's working a non-volunteer position is doing it for the money.

But usually not solely for the money. And usually there are lines people aren't willing to cross just for the paycheck.

> For money?

As opposed to what??? Free apple stickers??

There is something called "company culture". I changed jobs just because of that before. Instead of 200k, make 120 and be much more happier somewhere else. Mental health is more important than money after certain amount of it.

As someone who doesn’t work for Apple I wouldn’t work for Apple on principle even if they tripled my salary today. There are some lines that none of us should cross. There needs to be an ethical code for software engineering.

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