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> This really is something Tim needs to address before he again stands on stage and give lip service to Privacy with a capital P.

Cui bono?

Why does Tim Cook need to address this? To benefit Apple shareholders? To assuage the doubts of Apple customers who bought the false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy?

Truth be told I don't think that Tim Cook as CEO of one of the richest and most powerful organizations in history needs to do anything because Apple has their customers by the balls. What are the few Apple users who even care about this issue going to do? Switch to Microsoft? Linux? Hah!

Face it, Apple users have made their bed and now they have to lie in it. People have been warning them for years about the Faustian bargain that they were making and how it was corrosive to society to entrench an entity like Apple and now here we are.

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> Face it, Apple users have made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

Well said. They now finally realise that Apple Inc. was never their friends in the first place, like I have always said.

They cleverly used privacy as a marketing trick to lure them to buying into their ecosystem and to cover their suspicious acts under the reason of 'protecting the user's privacy'.

Given there are lots of Apple users buying M1 Macs, it is more likely that they would need to back up / restore from iCloud as they already do this on their iPhones.

So yes, they are so entrenched and locked in the Apple ecosystem, they won't move and will stay there for good, no matter how many times Apple screws them over. They are not your friends and only on the side of profit.

> false claims that Apple has made regarding their respect for users privacy

What false claim have they made?

Every claim that Apple makes about respecting user privacy is false because Apple does not allow users the means to independently verify the claims made by Apple regarding security. Additionally Apple does not allow users the means t control the hardware that they purchase by for instance, installing whatever software that they want on their devices.

You say ‘every claim’. I’m asking which claims. Can you find one?

https://www.macworld.com/article/232305/apple-privacy-billbo...

“What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone”

Seems like this is still true. CSAM checking only happens when you choose to upload your photos to iCloud Photo Library.

Apple has been using some dark patterns to force people to use iCloud. Telling them they haven’t finished setting up their phone. It notifies you until you sign up for the free tier, and then when that’s filled up it pesters you again

That’s true, and a fair criticism, but it’s quite different from saying people don’t have a choice.

See the title.

The title doesn’t contain a claim made by Apple.

Yes, it does. Apple promised to enable e2e and did not do it.

Where did they ‘promise’ it? By what date?

> Face it, Apple users have made their bed

You get downvoted around here if you make remarks critical of Apple users.

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