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It’s the same people who believe in medical apartheid that are bringing this in. All under the guise of the greater good. Who is it good for because it’s not for the publics. Law enforcement brutality exists online too and all over the world. It’s not simply a US phenomenon. Sickens me that they use children as an excuse. If they really gave a crap about kids there is so much that could be done right now.

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> It’s the same people who believe in medical apartheid that are bringing this in.

Regardless of what you call your antivax rhetoric, this is utterly wrong. It's not the same people. There's no fucking correlation here beyond "politics is brought to you by politicians" so stop using an issue HN is upset about to try to prop up your pet peeves.

I too can start saying that this shit you're upset about is brought to you by car drivers and people who indent with 2 spaces.

There's a special place in hell for issue-parasites who do what you're doing here.

First of all I’m vaxed. Second of all it is in fact the same people. I live in an EU country and it’s the EU political establishment and their allies that are doing this.

The fact you had to call out my grammar shows how weak your argument is. You are a literal grammar nazi. With language like “parasite” you really are showing your facist side aren’t you.

> The fact you had to call out my grammar shows how weak your argument is

What on earth are you talking about? I don't call out people's grammar.

Sorry misread your message. You aren’t a grammar nazi.

Medical apartheid? What’s that referring to?

Presumably they're referring to requirements for vaccinations to attend large public gatherings.

I think it's an absurd hyperbole, myself.

Is it really, though? Both child abuse and the pandemic are serious issues with real world victims, and both are riddled with privacy, anonymity and personal integrity issues. If we don't act against them, people will die/get hurt, and if we act against it in a Macchiavelian manner, democracy and quality of our life suffers enormously.

My observation is that in the name of: a) Covid b) Counterterrorism c) Child abuse almost everything can be presented as justifiable, at least to the mainstream media. The burden of questioning the rulers' decisions remains on us, and the limitations of personal freedom, both digital and physical, set a dangerous precendent to anything that might happen in the future.

Yes it's absolutely hyperbole to compare the racist policy of apartheid to reasonable restrictions on people who voluntarily choose to avoid vaccines for mostly-nonsense reasons.

Do you also oppose driver's license restrictions? Or existing pre-covid vaccine requirements? I struggle to see how these new restrictions are so onerous.

Equating drivers licenses to vaccine passports is a false equivalency.

Why? Drivers' licensing makes people safer on the roads, vaccines make people safer in crowded indoor spaces.

The abuses rationalized by the War on Terror, such as mass surveillance and profiling haven't been walked back. Yet many somehow believe vaccine passports won't be similarly result in mission creep and abuse. More recently it has been suggested to expand the designation of terrorist to include those who have concerns about this process.

When has government willingly returned liberties taken under emergency pretenses? Once Pandora's box is opened...

> When has government willingly returned liberties taken under emergency pretenses?

How about the dozens of times already since the start of this pandemic? Every time case rates drop even slightly, they've rushed to re-open businesses, eliminate mask rules and limitations on gatherings.

There have been some outliers like Florida's Ron DeSantis, but for the most part lockdowns have been on and off. The CDC now recommends masking for vaccinated individuals. Restrict, loosen restrictions and then tighten restrictions further. Repeat as necessary. Say what you will of some of the temporary restorations of freedom of movement, but they've normalized putting people on house arrest.

The goal in my view appears to be getting people onboard with the vaccine passports. Once implemented it will be a stepping stone towards CBDC, UBI and social credit scores.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-23/digita...

> large public gatherings.

In some counties it is much broader than that. Painting it as hyperbole sounds hollow if you are downplaying it yourself.

If the gathering is large enough they can't stop it and will back down. See the yellow vests movement.

That only works for gatherings not associated with a legal entity.

For example a sports club ( football? ) can't ignore the rules or it will be fined / closed.

It depends. In France unoins will organize public gatherings and won't be fined or closed because they have real power to shut down a whole sector of the economy and the ability to negotiate with the government.

EU covid pass and medical discrimination now in Europe but also world wide.

Well, people of a certain background get treated like shit by the supposedly universal healthcare systems in Europe, so there's that.

Could you please specify 'certain' instead of hinting?

Sources would be great too.

I think he’s talking about anti vaxers. Which I’m not. Have the J&J one and doing quite well. Just believe it’s a choice. They also quite often use it to invoke being from a working class background. Which I am actually.

How are they treated like shit?

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