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> Writing on Twitter, Preuss notes "If you double click the shift panel twice and accidentally engage the auto-pilot in Model 3, Tesla will automatically charge you $14100 if you didn't previously purchase auto-pilot."

This can't be right, what's next, your car is upgraded to a performance version when you press the acceleration pedal too hard?

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Just wait for the "Full Self-Full-Self-Driving" version that buys FSD for you when it detects you're getting bored at the wheel.

> This can't be right [...]

Yeah, I agree. As much as I hate EULA's and "Are you sure?" confirmation dialogs, THIS is a scenario where that's probably a good idea.

OTOH, the customer might have gotten those, but was just conditioned to "click-through" them like anything else? Maybe he didn't even perceive them, it happens!

For every purchase over a certain price this should probably be legally mandated. The same thing happened to a number of parents who had kids spend $1000s on the app store before they became more aggressive with deciding with how things can be purchased.

I believe all of the hardware is installed in every model 3 by default, allowing the ‘full self driving’ upgrade to be sold at the flip of a switch.

IIRC this is true of the Model 3 and the Model Y, and possibly certain generations onwards of the S and X — though I’m less sure about those two.

The real problem is that "full self driving" doesn't exist (and isn't even close to existing), but they're selling it.

* For small values of "full".

This sounds like the scammy computer sales company I worked for as a teenager.

We charged $120 to upgrade to a black tower and monitor (white towers and monitors were so last year at the time), but surprise surprise... if you didn't pay for the upgrade, we gave you a black tower and monitor anyways as a "gift to you".

All of our computers were always black.

What I don’t get is until “full self driving” is available, how can we know what hardware is needed to achieve it?

Here's the fun part: the hardware already changed, twice, since that claim.

They might be thinking as follows: a human can self-drive a car. If we give the car enough sensors to get all the sensory data that a human driver gets, then implementing self-driving is just a matter of software.

But how do they know they’ve given it enough sensors?

They can be confident sure, but as we all know confidence is the food of the wise man but the liquor of the fool.

I'm just speculating, but you could test this as follows: transmit the data from the sensors and let a human driver control the vehicle remotely using video and audio feed that they collect from the sensors. If this turns out similar to driving a car in person, then they could deduce that they do collect enough data for self-driving.

But that only proves that they've got enough sensors to allow a human to drive the car.

Until the car is actually self-driving they won't know for sure if there are enough sensors for self-driving.

They're making a statement of fact based on a leap of faith.

Ah, the eternal 'small matter of implementation', I've heard that one before.

I’m pretty sure this guy is lying. The only way to purchase these upgrades if they didn’t come with your car is through the Tesla phone app or website. You literally can’t do it using the shifter as claimed.

Funny how we are both downvoted without anyone disputing what we say.

vrrooom vrrooom, "that'll be $3000, sir"

$10 nozzle repair requires new battery pack for $16,000. Call it what you want, but that is not green car.

Yes, that's a straight lie.

Autopilot is standard and free. FSD costs 10k, not 14k. It is not possible to buy FSD throught the car.

There's a price breakdown in the article:

* $3`000 Autopilot

* $10`000 Self-Driving Capability

* + Tax

Author also said Tesla refunded it without a fuss, so they acknowledge accidental purchases are possible

I've seen ",", ".", " ", and "'" in natural languages, and "_" and "'" in programming languages, but where in the world are thousands separated by backticks?

I'm going to guess Switzerland. (The linked answer specifies apostrophes rather than backticks, but IMO either is reasonable).

https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/23667/is-using-a-comm...

Yes, I saw the Swiss apostrophes in the Wikipedia article that question links to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator#Examples_of_...), but there are no backticks mentioned there (hence my question). The only times I've seen backticks or grave accents used in place of apostrophes, it's been done consistently (I'm guessing some keyboard layouts don't have apostrophes?), while orangepanda used an apostrophe too, as if the backticks were a deliberate choice.

Autopilot is built in on every Tesla Model 3 and enabled ty double gear shift press.

It wasn’t always standard some cars came without it before they made the standard range+ the base model. The part about it being purchased by just pulling the shifter is a lie though you can only buy these up grades from a menu in the Tesla app.

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