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I haven't use LiveView since the introduction of components, it'll be a good occasion to try it again.

But to be honest about the "no-brainer" part, I'll probably stick to using Phoenix for apis and websockets because I'm personally firm on not using a framework that use the (IMHO) outdated layout->view model for displaying HTML.

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> the (IMHO) outdated layout->view model for displaying HTML

What is the modern model that you do use? Phoenix is very flexible and I'm wondering if it could easily be added manually.

Template inheritance with blocks, as they do in Django or Symfony.

That way you don't have layouts anymore, but (usually) a base template that an action view overloads with its own content.

I know Ruby on Rails doesn't work like that so I guess that's why it didn't take in Phoenix (yet?).

Agreed. Once you're used to template inheritance it's hard to go back.

perhaps you could have a glance at "surface" and see if it's what you want? I think the new .heex format also gives the basis to build what you want even if surface isn't the answer for you?

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