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It isn't "dehumanizing" someone when they ignore substantial and overwhelming evidence and others point that out.

Agreed. Let’s not ignore that: different people will have different risk/benefit profiles; that these vaccines are still in fact experimental; that there is no reproductive toxicity report for these vaccines; that there is data showing that the lipid nanoparticles from this vaccine accumulate in the ovaries; the rushed COVID vaccines are responsible for more all-cause deaths than the last 30 years of vaccines combined; that people with natural immunity have no evidence based reason to take these vaccines; that mass vaccination during pandemics create evolutionary pressure for immune escape variants; that there is now data showing that antibody-dependent enhancement is a real possibility due to these vaccines.

This all needs to be followed up on and both these worrying signs and any follow ups need to be accurately and loudly reported to the public. Instead it all gets brushed under the rug and drowned out with “safe and effective. Safe and effective. Safe and effective”.

The antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is what scares me the most.

While our vaccines were in development, Dr. Fauci described causing ADE as "the worst possible thing you could do" [1] and that you could get a feel for it with animal models, which would be interspersed with human trials. Interspersing the animal models seems incredibly risky to me, and to my knowledge we haven't seen those studies with the vaccines currently in production.

So far, the data does not seem to indicate that we're in big trouble yet -- the vaccines are still effectively preventing death -- but seeing the breakthrough cases gives me pause. I would appreciate if the "establishment" would circle back and address the risk of ADE. Even if it is very unlikely, what is the game plan if new breakthrough strains do start causing this type of response?

Because right now, it seems to me that if humanity puts all its eggs in the vaccine basket, and then ADE occurs with a breakthrough strain, then there is potential for an enormous catastrophe.

[1] https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/sitroom/date/2020-03-26/seg...

This is exactly what these people can tell to you too, that you `ignore substantial and overwhelming evidence` - making statements like this does not help to solve the issue.

And what is "the issue"? Is it people saying they are being "dehumanized" because the propaganda they watch makes them feel uncomfortable with something that has already had four billion doses given out?

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_W...

I believe the real issue is the state of mind, where two sides of dispute cannot find a consensus and tension keeps growing over time. Situation like this is leading to physical extermination of one of the sides. We have seen this in the history of humanity.

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