This is a sub-thread to the original complaint (which was quite reasonable), where OP is taking on an oddly hostile and aggressive tone, and powerfully punching at various strawmen. I'm not sure what you think an adequate reaction would be.
[0] since there appears to be a list of known good hardware, maybe it should be prominent?
From the perspective that Haiku is a product, would you rather have people associate your product with people who took your frustrated feedback to heart or people who told you to shut up because you missed a burreid forum posting about hardware compatibility? If you're an enthusiast of said product, you're doing no one any favors by being hostile.
> Ars Technica literally made a long article about how Haiku worked on a cheap-ass laptop
Which does nothing for someone who couldn't get it to run on any of the hardware they tried it on.
> and you're here complaining about other people being angry about op being this rude
I'm just saying, it's sadly very common, does nothing to help anybody, and leaves people with a negative opinion of their community.
Ah i see you must be too blind to see others have tried not being hostile, failed and get called out as having "social disability".
> Which does nothing for someone who couldn't get it to run on any of the hardware they tried it on.
Sure:
1. People have to help you here no matter what even if you're being very rude. 2. Certainly "it does not work on my machines" to "it does not work on anything" is a very reasonable stretch!
> I'm just saying, it's sadly very common, does nothing to help anybody, and leaves people with a negative opinion of their community.
if someone could just not leave other people with a negative opinion of him/her/themselves lol
> > keep on venting about social disability bullshit
> I don't even know what this means, but have a suspicion that if I did I would have a low opinion of you as a person for saying it.
seriously? lmfao, that phrase goes for you too, shut up and get your shit together.
as for the "does not help anybody" bit, yeah clearly venting like you do helps a heck lot to everybody.
A lot of people have been frustrated about the thing does not work for them (yes including me myself) but why does OP get the hate he/she/they get? If you can't figure that out yourself, you should probably do something else instead of keep posting here.
Not at all. It is entirely possible to simply ignore them. We even have a system of downvoting and flagging for people being overly hostile.
> if someone could just not leave other people with a negative opinion of him/her/themselves lol
That's their problem to deal with on their own. When you represent the Haiku community badly, that's everyone in the Haiku community's problem.
> seriously? lmfao, that phrase goes for you too, shut up and get your shit together.
I deleted that part when I read back to find what you were referencing because I realized it didn't at all mean what I suspected it meant. Although my opinion of you as a person is lowering for other reasons.
it's truly, truly a sad mental state to consider anyone has to be representing some certain community. really hope someday you can pull yourself out of that.
> Although my opinion of you as a person is lowering for other reasons.
lower it as much as you want my friend, seriously wouldn't mind if some random stupid asshole insists considering me a stupid asshole.
I feel like when you apply this standard of "overlook the tone, understand the message" asymmetrically to only one "side" of the argument, it highlights your biases.
As an aside, if you look at the proportion of comments (and maybe even the fuzzy timestamps while they're still discernible), the original commenter's hostile comments outnumber their "just frustrated" ones, while a large majority of responses to them are civil and constructive. The 'shut up and get your shit together' was in response some weirdly aggressive attack on the Haiku mantainers/contributors, after OP had also called the OS dogshit.
Anyway, this is all mostly off-topic and I have no affiliation with Haiku at all, but I just didn't want an unwarranted attack on obviously motivated and passionate developers' labour of love go undefended.
It's pretty simple. If people have an unfavorable opinion of handelaar, that's handelaar's problem. But if people have a negative opinion of the Haiku community based on how Haiku enthusiasts have treated handelaar, that's Haiku's problem. If you're a supporter of Haiku you're not doing anyone any favors by behaving that way.
> Anyway, this is all mostly off-topic and I have no affiliation with Haiku at all, but I just didn't want an unwarranted attack on obviously motivated and passionate developers' labour of love go undefended.
Eh, I look at it differently. If you're making a product you intend for public consumption, this sort of thing is just something you have to accept. Just because it is a labor of love for somebody doesn't make it good nor excuse it from criticism.
Granted, we'd all be better off if handelaar had expressed themselves more reasonably.
Absolutely a fair point.