But your other point doesn't follow. The vaxed still tested positive at a slightly lower rate than the unvaxed. With no severe cases, no one died & no burden on limited emergency facilities was created.
There's not enough info to know how much the vaxed spread it to others; they conjecture that their "patient 40", an unvaxed individual who had an asymptomatic case, was the "index case" that brought the infection in. Especially in the conditions of a mine – which might have limited ventiliation – perhaps that one unvaxed person shedded enough infectious material to create all the subsequent infections.
This is not true. Where did you hear this? What is your source?
See: "Covid-19: One dose of vaccine cuts risk of passing on infection by as much as 50%, research shows" https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112
No such fact exists.
"Vaccination with BNT162b2 reduces transmission of SARS-CoV-2 to household contacts in Israel"
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v...
> The overall vaccine effectiveness against transmission was 88.5%.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-23/pfizer-sh...
When the virus infects someone that is vaccinated there are less symptoms, less viral load and less risk of further transmission.
And I don't think anyone has done a study on the efficacy of vaccination preventing superspreading, but I suspect that vaccinated individuals are rarely, if ever, superspreaders.
Also that is contradicted by the NEJM study today that finds that Pfizer is still 88% effective against Delta:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8050563/pfizer-astrazeneca-vaccin...
Even if your other claims were correct, the conclusion still wouldn’t be. Severe cases put massive strain on the health care system.
And how does this point (if true) factor into the broader discussion being made?
It is not a reader's job to "just look at ...". Point us to a study if you want to persuade.
Furthermore, pointing at a data set or graph is not sufficient. Data in isolation (by this I mean a table full of numbers) does not prove causation. Only by understanding how the data is collected (i.e. the experimental design) can we start to reason about causation.
I'm saying this because I've seen people point to a graph and say "Don't you see X?" (where X is an inference) as if it were an obvious fact. On the contrary, a valid inference requires statistical thinking, which requires understanding how the data was collected and some kind of model.
No. You are misusing the abbreviation. OP means original poster: "The original poster is the person who starts a discussion thread" https://www.howtogeek.com/698508/what-does-op-mean-online-an...
Specifically:
> but the pressure was only there because of old people.
Here is a definition of the world "only" from the Apple dictionary: "and no one or nothing more besides; solely or exclusively".
With this definition in mind, on what basis can you make the claim above? Provide a citation please.
So just to sum it up again for you:
90% of 65+ are vaccinated in the US.
This study shows an attack rate of 60% which means vaccinated individuals can both contract and spread the virus.
Previously infected individuals had an attack rate of 0%.
So no, mass vaccination of the younger population provides no “public good” and for younger individuals probably has a negative cost/benefit due to side effects.
> So just to sum it up again for you:
> 90% of 65+ are vaccinated in the US.
I don't appreciate your snark.
There is no need to indirectly insult me or other people on the thread.
I discussed with you in the hopes that I could learn something. You didn't reply to my specific comments in detail. If you were hoping to persuade or be kind, you missed an opportunity here.
Where does the study say this?
It is important to distinguish your interpretation of the data from what the study write-up says.
In conclusion, we describe a VOC Gamma COVID-19 outbreak with a strikingly high attack rate among persons fully vaccinated with BNT162b2 vaccine.[…]Masking and social distancing —even among those fully vaccinated— may be necessary.
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/06/nearly-50-of-israel...
You can save more hospital beds for people ?