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This attitude is so infuriating. "Their own conflicts" ->

https://eenvandaag.avrotros.nl/item/aantal-vergismoorden-sti...

and that's before we get into those cases where people were slaughtered in front of their spouses and children (and who sometimes were slaughtered right along with them).

Massive shoot outs with automatic weapons on the highways, in the cities and on one occasion on a small beach near Amsterdam.

If it doesn't include you then you are lucky. But it could be you, tomorrow.

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According to wikipedia, the number of mistaken identity murders is very low. Less than 1 per year.

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_criminele_liquidatie...

For perspective, the number of people who die from lightning strikes is about 2 per year.

Oh ok, that's fine then.

Most of the population voted for this. Our public broadcaster is running a very succesful series ( Mocro Maffia, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8810204/ ) on it.

And most of those progressive voters live in the areas which are affected ( Amsterdam, Randstad in general ).

And if they did not vote 'progressive', they voted VVD ( neoliberal, keep slashing funding until it is bare functional : our police ).

> Most of the population voted for this.

Ok, I think you've just disqualified yourself from further discussion. I'm not going to cross the HN guidelines to tell you off.

I would appreciate if you formulated precise : you are disqualifying me.

What is the point of your comment? Why comment at all?

The point is that if you believe that false equivalences are going to win you this argument then I'm done arguing with you. People vote in elections based on all kinds of issues, they do not vote for summary executions of journalists.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Giving off some heavy sealion vibes here

As someone from Scheveningen, your attitude is disheartening. It's a very "I've got mine" attitude and in these times I'd hope we band together to knock this detrimental activity on the head before we get to a point like Mexican cartels openly killing police, politicians, as well as journalists. Those of us in the Randstad are most definitely affected by this and other drug crimes, and growing up in the achterhoek in the 89s I noticed they were not unaffected. I've never lived in Groningen, but I cannot imagine your city is less affected than Enschede or Zutphin, both of which struggled through the 90s with criminal drug gangs. Just because you have not been affected personally, does not make it okay, and I suspect that attitude is why others are unwilling to continue the conversation—you've made your mind up and we can't convince you. But as a typical Dutch person, I speak my mind regardless of the threat of being banned.

I lived in Enschede from 1993 to 2002 and can't recall any 'struggles'. I do remember another incident though.

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