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> Corollary: When Rep. Ilhan Omar ("a frequent critic of Israel") says something, understand that the words she says must follow the Koran or she faces execution for blasphemy. For that reason, she should not be a US House member, and certainly not on House committees. Islam and the US constitution are opposing ideologies.

You were making some… reasonable claims up until this point where you jumped the shark. We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran, and I’ll immediately point out that literally every religion when taken verbatim is incompatible with our constitution. That’s why we have separation of church and state.

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Absolute nonsense. Not only does Islam guarantee a woman's right to divorce, the Koran has an entire chapter titled The Divorce: https://quran.com/65

It's baffling how some people make false claims as if they're truths.

> We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran

What utter, complete, made-up nonsense. Islam guarantees women the right to divorce (along with property rights, pre-nuptial contracts, etc).

You just made the above up out of your own head, and added the spicy "Koran would behead her" just for kicks.

Says a lot about whats going on in your head ... Kindly leave it there, and don't pollute Hacker News with it.

Thanks.

> We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran

Yeah, no. Divorce is permitted in Islam.

Divorce after an affair?

Are you trying to convolute the two?

Please do not make any random statement about any religion that can be misleading if you are an ignorant person about the religion.

Please read the parent post before making assumptions about my understanding of Islam. The parent is speaking in the context of Sharia law as implemented in Afghanistan. If you think a woman can simply divorce her husband and walk away unscathed in Afghanistan I'd suggest you take your own advice and read up on the region before you come across as ignorant.

Can a woman who practices Islam in the US divorce her husband without physical harm? Absolutely. Can a woman who practices Islam be a US representative while abiding by the constitution without physical harm? Absolutely.

More nonsense. There are the usual male-female dynamics at play in any relationship, but this constant falsehood being propogated here about how Islam denies these rights is not just misleading, its the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of the truth.

I repeat, the ability of a wife to divorce her husband is enshrined in Islam. In capital letters, With a bold font.

And yes, that includes Afghanistan.

And yes, I AM from that region (before you bring up that nonsense).

Obviously you are not - as evidenced by the usual hokus pocus anti-Muslim superstitions you're spreading. You're just spreading FUD, possibly spoonfed to you by other even more disreputable sources.

As other posters have said, keep your ignorant falsehoods, FUD and superstitious nonsense ("she would be beheaded" - please ...) to yourself.

Feel free to keep lying to yourself and believe it. Just don't spread it here.

The End.

> I repeat, the ability of a wife to divorce her husband is enshrined in Islam. In capital letters, With a bold font.

That is the best kind of lie. It's technically true. Yes a woman is not executed for divorcing a husband. To that point, what you say is correct. But it still really obscures the truth rather than help people see it.

A man can divorce his wife. Easily and fast. NOT the other way around. If the wife remarries without divorce, which may of course be the point, the punishment is indeed death. And yes that's because of the second marriage: sex is assumed if she remarries, and carries punishment of death.

I don't believe the method is specified. So yes you can claim that any particular method of killing that woman is not prescribed, although stoning seems to be generally agreed upon, even if not acted upon, by most of the muslim world. Great. It is definitely prescribed that she be executed.

Yes the GP was slightly off base, but you are painting this backward religion as way nicer than it actually is.

Also worth mentioning, by the way, any divorce assigns all kids to the man. Always. Without exception, even if prenuptial agreement says different (and let's not discuss Shi'a islam).

There's a reason there's an arabic saying it's wiser for a woman to poison her husband than to divorce.

You're deluded. As someone with experience of more than a few Muslim countries, I can categorically say that nothing you're trying to paint has any semblence to reality.

You're pretending that a woman who divorces and remarries is considered to be guilty of adultery.

The Quran, in black and white, disagrees with you. Legal code in every Muslim country I am aware of does not agree with you. And no Muslim society I have any experience of would tolerate what you're trying to push.

In short, you're lying.

> but you are painting this backward religion as way nicer than it actually is.

And this quote shows your agenda and incentive. This is nothing more than bigoted online trolling. You're adding 2 and 2, getting 35, and screaming out loud about it.

You're just rehashing stuff you consume from other equally-excited anti-Muslim bigots, who swap all sorts of fake superstitious nonsense of what Islam actually is (none of which has any connection to reality).

Its sad. Pathetic, sad, and yet oh so predictable.

Whatever your affliction, deal with it on your own time, and in your own space. Hacker News is not the place for flat-earthers and other such-like fakery peddlers.

> You're pretending that a woman who divorces and remarries is considered to be guilty of adultery.

A woman cannot divorce a man. So the situation you're describing is a woman who doesn't divorce and remarries.

This is a fallacy: you're just "misunderstanding" a situation and then describing the outcome of a different one with strong wording.

> And this quote shows your agenda and incentive

And I suppose you attacking me shows your agenda. What is it with people defending 1500 year old texts? They are backward. All of them. Including your favorite one. Including my favorite one. Is that really so controversial? We know better. On all fronts. Better than every religion. Including your favorite one.

Even if I'm indeed a bigot, and perhaps I am, it doesn't pertain to the argument.

> A woman cannot divorce a man

A blatant lie. False. Untrue. As I said, you're just a flat-earther.

The real joke is that you're probably unaware of what Islam actually teaches, nor what the law is in practice. You're just regurgitating ragged hand-me-down propaganda sheets. And you've swallowed the kool aid.

Yes, definately a flat-earther ...

> So the situation you're describing is a woman who doesn't divorce and remarries.

No, thats the situation racist Islamophobic bigot #1 tried to insist upon. Do try to keep up.

> Even if I'm indeed a bigot, and perhaps I am

Self awareness is a start. Stick on that path.

> it doesn't pertain to the argument

There really isn't an argument to be had when you and your ilk's "arguments" are 50% complete ignorance and 50% outright deliberate lies. And you are 100% stuck to your bigoted guns.

So thats the end of that.

> > A woman cannot divorce a man

> A blatant lie. False. Untrue. As I said, you're just a flat-earther.

Problem is, what I find online agrees with me. A man can just divorce, for any reason, at any time. Most but not all sources claim there's a waiting period, some allow instant divorce. Some sources claim it is "discouraged" to go this way.

A woman can ask an imam for a divorce, which then may or may not be granted. There needs to be a reason for the divorce. Most sources seem to indicate this is a fairly general right of people. The man can ask for the same process. The "police"/state can ask for it, at least in some countries/interpretations. Some family members can ask for it, or can ask for it to be denied. And it does seem there are plenty of interpretations of sharia that state it should be flat-out denied if a woman initiates it.

And then there's Shi'a islam, where a right to divorce exists, IF agreed to by the man and woman before the marriage.

So I don't see how what I said as a lie. A man can divorce a woman, a woman cannot (if I add "by herself", would that make you happy?). She can ask an imam to dissolve the marriage, and of course a number of American Imams seem to have started to blindly (not hearing both sides) grant them for a few dollars, which is very funny I must say. Still doesn't change matters.

>We’ll ignore for a second she got a divorce which would also have her beheaded in the Koran

The sentence above was quoted verbatim from your statements, thus your post is misleading at best and lying at worst. If you not an ignorant about the subject, please point exactly and anywhere in the Koran that unequivocally support your statement.

Not to mention the extreme cults described above aren't super cool with women holding elected office.

She does say some outlandish things, but most of it's better explained by spending too much time on Twitter.

> I’ll immediately point out that literally every religion when taken verbatim is incompatible with our constitution. That’s why we have separation of church and state

“Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's”

“My kingdom is not of this world”

These quotes from Jesus, along with the pages of Paul arguing for faith over religious law have created this separation between church and state.

It is believed by Christians all over the world that the religious laws died with Jesus on the cross.

In this regard, not all religions are created equal. Islam is an orthopraxy as the Koran, supposedly the world of god, directly dictates laws.

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