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>I manged to remove them...you go to All apps..scroll down to "Show system apps"...Android TV Home...Force stop... Uninstall updates => You will have old Home Screen

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/shield-tv/9/4579...

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I looked through this thread when searching for a workaround but this method didn't work for me (2019 Shield TV Pro), I had to swap the launcher.

Uninstalling the update also didn't work for me using my 2015 Shield.

This worked for me at first now I have the new UI no matter what state the actual app is in

Wouldn't that mean you had an insecure device?

I'm really tired of companies hiding behind "security" when it comes to ruining my experience every time I get an update.

If they want me to be secure, package essential security updates into seperate downloads.

I consider updates that break workflow or violate privacy to be security risks in themselves.

The big issue with major OS updates for me is that the security updates are bundled with the feature updates. That's why updating Android on my old phone stopped being feasable, when the increased performance requirements caused it to remain persistently hot and unresponsive.

Not just the security updates, but also things like APIs that prevent some applications from being compatible. Still, I have to wonder how much of a tradeoff would be possible when all the code is managed together, and the security and feature updates would be interwoven in the same repo. There is only so much manpower available to keep maintaining every version of each update.

New in iOS 14/15:

> Software Updates

> iOS now offers a choice between two software update versions in the Settings app. You can update to the latest version of iOS 15 as soon as it’s released for the latest features and most complete set of security updates. Or continue on iOS 14 and still get important security updates until you’re ready to upgrade to the next major version.

https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-15-preview/features/

Apple, the antithesis of user choice, is even now offering an option between upgrading and getting security updates.

Apple is better in some choices vs others, and has been for a while.

To be clear Android the operating system offers targeted security updates. The device manufactures prefers to package them with feature updates. I guess it doesn’t matter for users.

Aren't many core components now taken care of by the Google Play Services library that's updated separately to avoid carriers and manufacturers from delaying critical security updates because they need to package and test these with all their bloatware crap?

Play services do not get just security updates, that’s true. It’s pretty hard to not have that up to date on an Android phone anyway.

Are you afraid of someone remotely pushing an update that pushes ads disguised as content to your device?

> Wouldn't that mean you had an insecure device?

So you mean ads are increasing security ?

Not automatically.

So many updates these days have nothing to do with security, just with "feautes" nobody asked for apart from random product manager who needs his paycheck.

Everything's a tradeoff.

Ads are bad behavior they are protecting themselves from.

It's just the home screen so it shouldn't be that much of a security hole. If it were the OS it'd be a bigger concern.

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