But I thought le evil orange man said it came from a lab, and therefore it must be false and debunked? That’s what The Washington Post told me to think last year.
But sure, when lurching from speculation to speculation in a desperate attempt to shift blame and go back to normal, throwing random unfounded ideas like ingesting bleach, hydroxychloroquine, and lab leaks, then sometime the broken clock is right.
Edit: Policy needs to be data driven, not driven by complete speculation. Later it doesn’t matter what comes out if at the time the “theory” policies were based on were unfounded speculation. That is grossly negligent. Timing matters. And all of these matters are still speculation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/21/hydroxych...
Because trump did this: “At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body”
My statement is supported. Please do not accuse me of “pushing blatant falsehoods” when even a cursory google provides concrete evidence that my claim is true.
2 people out of over 300 million Americans drinking that does not show that this is a widespread phenomenon, like you seem to imply in your post -- "Americans are literally drinking bleach!"
Let's please make sure our comments are backed up by data, it ensures discussions here on HN are productive.
Also, the leading fact checkers, Politifact, refute your claim and state that "No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach". It is not very useful to be pushing debunked narratives on Hacker News...
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/11/joe-biden/...
Biden named one of the specific types of disinfectant that trumps followers were literally drinking in response to his ramble about injecting disinfectants. The claim is mostly true.
Here trump’s quote below, HN readers can be the judge if it.
“And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”
The result is people drink (a typical way people bring things inside their body ) bleach (one of the most common household disinfectants).
Then a couple months later biden recounts it as trump telling people to drink bleach.
To my mind it sounds excessively pedantic to rate that as mostly false. The claim matches the direct outcome of trumps words, and was close to but not the exact terminology used. In my opinion it’s far too pedantic to call that mostly false rather than mostly true.
But okay were going to have different opinions on that matter, let’s compromise.
I think we can both agree it’s completely accurate to say that evidence suggests trump’s musings about disinfectants as a corona virus treatment on National tv led Americans to drink bleach.
————- And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside of the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you're going to test that too. Sounds interesting," the president continued.
"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?
"So it'd be interesting to check that."
Makes you wonder about the bias of moderators on HN.
Please do not attack users and ignore their replies that already show that the attacks are unjustified.
Based on the best data at the time, advocating hydroxychloroquine was grossly negligent, and while there still isn’t good studies that say different being data driven means using the best available data at the time to make decisions not being a time traveler and using future data. Here is a contemporary article on the drug https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/hydroxychloroquine...
And here are a few more on the topic: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/technology/hydroxychloroq...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/politics/trump-fact-ch...
None of those stories seem unfair reporting.
And answer me this: if hydroxychloroquine was so effective, why didn't Trump's tremendous doctors give it to him when he got covid?
I find it pretty thought provoking that mainstream news said the Wuhan Lab Theory was conclusively debunked as false, and now there has been a complete narrative shift.
Some, like the Washington Post, have actually gone back and retroactively edited their articles from that time period to hide this fact.
It’s very telling that my earlier comment was flagged.
Journalism is dead, and apparently pointing that out on Hacker News will get your comment deleted for “not adding to the discussion”