This is so sad to watch all this happening. We had decades of growing closer together and then some power-hungry nutjobs undid all that again within just a few years.
It's turned into a belief system and to question it is almost(maybe the same!!) like saying your religion is wrong
No matter how logical I am in trying to discuss the pros and cons, the conversation will invarably go to the statement - you just don't know the real impact yet
followed by a virtual fingers in the ear when discussing facts, then followed by them saying lets change the subject.
It's somehow been internalised to a degree that peoples existance depends on it working and them being right
That's because for many, it actually does. If "project fear" turns out to be right, a lot of people will get poor - and more importantly, they will have to admit that they were wrong, which is absolutely unconceivable and shameful in the pub-culture shouting match that political debate has turned into after the '80s.
when it does turn out crap (it's already started) I doubt people will say they're wrong.
I recon they'll either stay quiet and just convinently forgot they voted to leave or
argue they were right based on the <insert any made up arguement here> and the politicians were wrong and are to blame
Man do I miss the days when he was just a bad joke. :(
Both are an acute cancer to society.
51% of the electorate who voted 5 years ago said they wished to leave the EU. This is absolutely true.
The nuance here is that of that 51%, their reasons for voting to leave and their intended/desired future arrangement with the EU was not uniform. Some wished to maintain close ties (common market, freedom of movement, regulatory alignment etc), others wanted a clean break from everything, and a spectrum of opinion in between the two
Brexit was many things to many different people. It’s this ambiguity and room for manoeuvre in defining what exactly “Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union” is, which has been seized upon by the power-hungry, who are a minority of all Brexiteers, but a sizeable portion of the Eurosceptic MPs of the Conservative party at the time.
It appears obvious that Cameron intended the referendum to silence the eurosceptic wing of the Conservative party once and for all, as the Alternative Vote referendum did to reform of “first past the post” in the previous administration.
This backfired on him spectacularly. And he resigned immediately once the gambit failed.
The UK was (is?) deeply split on what relationship it wants with Europe.
Phrased differently: no. I do believe the UK is deeply split on whether to believe certain media/politicians though.
I tried many time to talk anyone about the logic, nothing
after the vote the same.
and I'm not really an emotional person at all, but I realised early on this was emotional subject. I just wanted to understand the facts and the reasons
"There will be no change for EU citizens already lawfully resident in the UK. These EU citizens will automatically be granted indefinite leave to remain in the UK and will be treated no less favourably than they are at present."
(Signed Boris Johnson, Priti Patel and Michael Gove. June 1st 2016.)
This one is pertinent as the deadline for "Settled Status" is looming. Johnson could pass a law honouring his promise to 17 million Leave voters who were reassured by his promise that their friends and family would not even have to apply for permanent residency in the UK, but hasn't.
https://fullfact.org/economy/brexit/
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/list-of-brexit-lies
Frankly, google "Brexit Lies". Even the spectator was laying in to the tories.
If you haven't seen the lies, respectfully, you're either blind or willfully ignorant.
Remain meant keeping things as they were. That was clear.
Leave meant anything on an enormous spectrum of potential outcomes.