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Humm. Maybe some of us want our browsers to be, you know, browsers! Not full-blown virtual machines. I'm quite happy with Safari. I don’t want web apps, I want web pages!

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Notifications wouldn't waste any CPU cycles that aren't already there. There's no excuse for not implementing them other than forcing devs to use their app store.

I don't want notifications on any webpage. if I need to see an update on your website, I'll click a link/bookmark or type the URL, thank you.

I don't want any notifications from my apps either. If i want to see the latest news from my (bank app), or an advertisment from a local electronics store (from Viber), or to find out what happened "on this day" (from the OneDrive app), or that Customers are noticing me (from the Gmaps app) . What's the difference?

The web is literal hell when every damn site you visit wants to know your location, enable notifications, and all this other stuff.

Switching from Chromium based back to Safari was nice for me.

Point is I don't care if Safari doesn't support notifications, since I don't want them anyway. So I see it as a plus.

Imagine if you had to disable one feature toggle though? Better yet: imagine if they were only optionally enabled when you added the PWA to your home screen??

Seems like we could both easily have exactly what we want.

This would be ideal, in my opinion.

PWA-s are just one point amongst many, if you read the post. There are heaps of basic document rendering issues, and on anything except macOS Safari is the only browser choice.

In that case, Safari should make it clear that its users should not expect web application to work well. OP proposes helping Safari do that by displaying informational banners when appropriate.

Applications work just fine. Developers have to be a bit more precise. For features not supported, really a non issue, considering the Android update and support cycles

That's not true, there are numerous bugs especially on ios. What all browser vendors have figured out is that browser updates should be decoupled form OS updates and this is what Google and Microsoft are getting right,frequent updates, new browser engine features and fixes are available almost immediately.

A lot "features not supported" by Safari is supported by Android > 4.4.4. I can target >90% of users on older Androids and still have compatibility issues with Safari users. Unacceptable.

So if I want a full-blown virtual machine I can put that on "my" phone right?

Oh wait Apple controls that too.

I guess in the absence of allowing us to have full-blown virtual machines we'll have to settle for asking Apple to update their browser.

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