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You will never have piece in the Middle East when there are people who want to kill all the Jews, and Jews who don't want to be killed.

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You lack historical context there, what about Israelis expelling people from their homes, people who lived there for centuries? There's no good and bad side there, it's 2+ sides fighting for limited space and resources (and colonial and neocolonial powers steering the whole thing to suit their geo-political interests of the day). It's ugly all over, no matter which way you look at it...

You're also lacking historical context.

What about Arabs conquering Palestine in the 7th century and expelling people from their homes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant#...

Plus, many Arabs left their homes because they told them to do so. They expected them to be able to come back after they finish killing the Jews, which never happened, and hopefully never will.

Are you seriously comparing conquests and migrations of the 7th century and a thing that happened in our life time? Well, my life time at least... I actually went to high-school with a Palestinian kid who immigrated with his parents to Yugoslavia. His family was kicked out of their apartment and put into a camp and he spent a part of his young life locked there. In his own words the hardest was that the camp was relatively near where they used to live and they could actually see their old building's roofs from the camp, through the wire fence, knowing that someone else now lives in their home. It's a recent event still very alive in mind and souls of Palestinian people, not some ancient story from time when Anglo-Saxons still ruled the Britain and Slavs haven't moved to Europe yet.

So what you are saying is that we should wait couple of hundreds of years and then there is a statute of limitation?

How far in history do we need to go for context?

- 67 (6 day war)?

- 64 (PLO founding)

- 48 (Israel independence)?

- 1920 Nebi Musa riots, 1921 Jaffa riots, 1929 Palestine riots, 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine?

The further back in history you go less relevant it is for the current events commentary - I thought it's something well established?

There's no such thing as a Palestinian people.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestin...

The Nakba happened in living memory though. We can't do anything about the 7th century but we can do something about the current occupation and circumscribing of Palestinian lives. Namely a) Boycotts b) Divestment c) Sanctions.

The "Nakba" is the result of their own leaders starting a war against the nascent Jewish state and telling the Arabs to leave their homes and come back once they're done getting rid of the Jews - something that never happened, and hopefully never will.

They Arabs had multiple opportunities to settle this conflict, it's purely a result of their own making.

The colonized are always blamed for resisting. Mugger's logic.

The Arabs themselves colonized the area in the 7th century, but idiots will never accept this fact.

That seems a little one sided. It's seems to be a complex conflict.

Let me fix this post:

You will never have piece in the Middle East when there are people who want to kill all the Jews, and Israel State who want to kill people.

The thing people forget Jews are not Government of Israel. Israel as a state was hell bent on keeping the aggression and conflict going. New every Jew nor citizen of Israel is a murderous bloodthirsty war criminal.

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