I am quoting "Their wealth derives from the skyrocketing value of their assets, like stock and property. Those gains are not defined by U.S. laws as taxable income unless and until the billionaires sell"
I am quoting "Their wealth derives from the skyrocketing value of their assets, like stock and property. Those gains are not defined by U.S. laws as taxable income unless and until the billionaires sell"
I don't see how that can be true, you eventually have to repay the loan, to do that you need income which will be taxed. For example if you borrow 100000 dollars for one year with 3% interest you will have to pay to the bank 103000 dollars, as far as I understand you can only write off the 3000 dollars on your taxes. The reason rich people borrow against their equity is because they don't want to sell it and their equity makes them more money than the interest rate on their loans.
Furthermore while the article does distinguish wealth from income, it fails to distinguish realized from unrealized gains. Taxing unrealized gains comes with two very significant downsides.
Firstly to make the system fair it should provide tax credits for unrealized losses which means when the market goes down all of these people will use that tax credit to cancel out the huge salaries they will be paying themselves on that year.
Secondly while a tax on unrealized gains will be annoying to rich people it will be devastating to small time investors, because it will force them to liquidate their minor positions in order to pay their taxes.
To give a concrete example lets assume a college grad has a single share of amazon he bought last year for around 2000 usd, today that same share is worth around 3000 usd that's 1000 dollars of gains if our hypothetical student has to pay income tax on that 1000 dollars let's say 20% because he also has income. He will have to pay with his income (which has already been taxed) or he will have to sell that stock essentially robbing him of the future gains he could have if he held that stock.
The basis is stepped up at death and the estate can then sell with zero tax to settle the debt.
This is what I guessed, but maddeningly the article doesn't actually say it out loud, instead talking about estate taxes and trusts (which surely also play a role). Do you know another source for this?
Isn't that a major tax loophole? What is the rationale behind it in the first place?
If you inherited some assets in 1909 it could have been very hard to figure out what the cost basis was, since you would have no idea where the records were or if any records had even been kept.
The step-up basis was the result of Treasury Decision T.D. 2690 in 1918. The modern estate tax went into effect in 1916.
The step-up basis is likely simply a mistake influenced by UK norms. The tax code was created from whole cloth by regulators that had never done it before. (Congress basically passed the buck, abdicating responsibility to Treasury to figure it all out.)
Treasury made several errors of basic logic in the early years, some of which were subsequently fixed, others (like step-up basis) weren't.
On the UK influence: back in 1913 the UK (and most other countries at the time) didn't tax capital gains at all. The law passed by Congress implied that capital gains should be taxed but the drafter of the law (it was written by a single person) was surprisingly confused and vague on the subject giving five or six different possible interpretations of what he meant.
And so: step-up basis. The original 1913 income tax law didn't say what should happen. Over the next several years Treasury grappled with the issue, and related capital gains questions, effectively a "first time in history" kind of solving the problem.
From a history of early errors in the tax code by the Treasury:
"Beyond mere error, there was the influence of the income tax of the United Kingdom––the foreign income tax most prominent in the minds of the drafters of the 1914 regulations––which did not tax capital gains at all. As Marjorie Kornhauser recounts in her work on the early history of capital gains taxation under the federal income tax, from 1913 until 1921 Treasury’s interpretation of the income tax as encompassing capital gains was controversial, and it was unclear whether Treasury’s interpretation would withstand judicial challenge. If total exemption of capital gains was thinkable because of the UK model, then basis rules allowing for widespread self-help exemption might have seemed unexceptionable. In addition, the trust law distinction between principal and income––under which capital gains are assigned to principal rather than income—may have influenced Treasury’s misunderstanding of the role of basis in an income tax. Finally, there was the statutory declaration that income did not include the value of property received by way of gift or bequest. For regulators not accustomed to the distinction between deferral and exclusion provisions, it would have been easy to overread the statute as implying a permanent exclusion rather than as merely being silent on the question of permanent exclusion versus deferral."
The Treasury decision was enshrined into law in 1921 -- based on the Congressional testimony of a single person whose testimony has been described as "not his finest hour" due to logical errors like this that went unremarked upon by the Senators -- cementing the mistake permanently due to a failure to apply consistent logic to taxation issues.
The claim that one should get a step-up basis because of the estate tax is obviously nonsensical. If you sell the assets before death, you pay both the capital gains tax and then the estate tax. But if you don't sell the assets before death, you only pay one tax.
There is no logical explanation for why the application of both taxes should occur if the sale happens before death but only one tax should apply if the death happens before the sale.
In 1976 Congress got rid of the step-up basis in the Tax Reform Act of 1976.
Due to intense lobbying by rich people, it was restored in 1980.
You refinance constantly.
A year later you have $11M in Amazon stock and $110M in Berkshire Hathaway. You borrow against the Amazon stock and use that to pay off the first loan. Lather, rinse, repeat.
The bankers are always happy. Why would they ever foreclose on you?
Is this a serious comment?
Why do you think people are willing to put money into accounts that they pay no taxes on now, but will have to pay taxes on later?
There's multiple reasons, and they all tend to apply to equity too. As a bonus, equity in things like property has even more bonuses for taking loan cash now and repayment later: things depreciate in value (theoretically), and you get write offs. There's all sorts of tax shenanigans you can do to shift around what money you owe when to minimize your tax burdens. Getting 'paid' with a loan is one of them.
Another major thing is: they can borrow so much that it doesn't matter. If you could borrow a billion dollars based on your house, would you do it? Do you think you could turn that money into something more? What if you never turned a profit off that billion, and instead just lived off of it. Then died. Never paid any taxes, because you 'lost' money every year. Combine that with all the BS you can do with estate taxes, and you can probably send a huge chunk of change to your kids too.
There are loans marketed as interest only, but my understanding is that even with these loans the payment of the capital is deferred to the end of the term, not that you don't have to pay it back at all.
There are annuities, a financial instrument where the seller receives a lump sum and then pays back a fixed amount in perpetuity but I think only insurance companies sell these.
I think the most likely scheme is what the other comment is suggesting, refinancing the loan repeatedly
That's exactly how they work. As long as you keep making interest payments, and the value of the asset you took the loan against remains above a pre-defined threshold, you never need pay back the principal. The idea being that you invest the money you borrowed and earn a profit on the difference between the interest payment and your investment return. And the interest payment itself is tax-deductible because you borrowed to invest. Neat trick, right?
Btw, this is a power also available to ordinary people, in the form of a HELOC.
I mean, I'm glad I didn't HELOC my way to a few Bitcoin last month, so maybe it's best we leave these tricks to the rich folk anyway.
I can see an argument for executive controlled corps, like Zuckerberg wants to maintain control of a company. But it seems like there are many ways Zuck for instance could avoid losing his voting power or restructure some even odder special share class so it doesn't matter.
If he doesn't want to pay cash maybe even allow treasury to hold this 1% as stock and pass the voting power back to the owner.
Opens a HUGE can of worms in many ways (hold, sell, incentives to increase value can be bad for the rest of us).
But I like the fundamental concept of adding back benefit for OUR gov for all we do to help.
if the rest of us taxpayers are giving huge support to the market and corporations like QE, stimi, loose regulation/tax law, trade wars, whatever, we should also get some of the gains to fund services or lower taxes on the other 50 or even 99%.
The article repeatedly uses what it calls a "true tax rate", which is calculated from wealth. It does this knowing that people reason about tax rates as percentages of income.
With this in mind, I think it's fair to say that the article puts a fair amount of work into talking about wealth and income as different, but also willingly conflates the two in order to produce shocking numbers when it's convenient.
If you look at Scrooge McDuck's giant pit full of gold coins, and even though the pipe flowing into the room marked 'income' doesn't have any coins rolling down it into the pile, but the pipe heading out marked 'expenses' seems to be steadily draining coins... and yet the pile of coins is somehow still getting bigger...
.... maybe you have to accept that just looking at what's going on in that income pipe isn't giving you the whole picture.
I don't disagree with anything you've written here. I just think that conflating growth in value of assets and liquid cash is misleading, and using a snappy sloganeered idiom to do so compounds the error. That this is done in pursuit of illustrating an absolutely critical and nuanced political point about finances makes it, in my opinion, all the more important to be clear.
I recognize that this is a position with which reasonable people might differ.
Use more graphs?
Call out incomes (wages, dividends, rent, etc) and assets (property, investment) differently?
So you end up with these wealthy people spending a ton and increasing their net worth by huge amounts, and paying small (or zero!) taxes.
I agree with you that a different tax law that calculated owed tax like this would not be completely reasonable, but it certainly shows the inequality and I believe it's a reasonable alternative. How would you measure the tax impact on the mega-rich otherwise?
In my opinion, do away with income and capital gains tax and have a pure consumption tax instead. Want a lavish lifestyle? Then you will pay higher taxes.
I hold a similar view. Why should someone pay more taxes just because they earn more.
Taxes should include a 'constant' term for benefit that everyone in the society is reaping (e.g., security, public infrastructure and facilities, etc.). There can also be terms proportional to the spendings/lifestyle (i.e., sales tax) and even income, when again the government is introducing some benefit per sale or money earned.
The prime purpose for governments, and thereby enforced taxes should be to pay for things needed that no one individually will otherwise pay for but which the society as a whole needs. An an example, pollution hurts everyone, yet, no particular entity would spend on curbing pollution unless done by enforcing at a social level.
Note: If there is no tax whatsoever in earnings, there would also be a need for some additional tax like inheritance tax, which I support, so that people do not just keep on hoarding the earnings without ever spending.
I guess it’s a bet you’ll be dead before the interest outweighs the potential tax, or volatility spikes? Betting on your own death seems to macabre, and too tempting too the fates.
And yes, a bet that interest rates will remain below effective tax beyond that.
Over the long run it tends to work in their favour as well, since it's very likely that the increase in the portfolio value will outpace the interest paid.
Ah, right. Caught me twice on my fixed-pie thinking :)
Of course, in a ZIRP fantasyland the interest is negligible.
That would be insane.
That turns out to be incredibly regressive as the poor spend almost all of their income, where as the rich spend a fraction of a percent.
So you end up with them paying even less, and the worker paying far more. It's called a "flat tax" and it's a horrible idea.
By any definition being worth more than 1m$ is a lot of money, especially here. But it seems like the goalposts keep getting moved to the point where saying "what about the millionaires" is seen as an attack on the working class because billionaires exist. I've seen people argue that Bernie wasn't rich because he is just worth less than 2m$(!!). Sure, billionaires have a lot more wealth than your average millionaire but I'd bet even taxing them at 100% would bring so much less revenue than raising the tax rates on the "lower millionaire bourgeoisie" by a few percentage points. Yes we can do both, but it's not going to happen considering the complete focus on the mega wealthy sometimes coming from other rich people in denial.