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> By far the biggest problem — and the trickiest to solve — points to machine learning’s Catch-22: There are few large, diverse data sets to train and validate a new tool on, and many of those that do exist are kept confidential for legal or business reasons.

This is why China will win the AI Age.

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Very likely. If someone is more interested in the current state of AI on a national level a very good book is AI Superpowers by Kai Fu Lee.

Data is the new Oil and USA is still clinging to the old oil while China has AI as number 1 priority.

Just because China hoards more data doesn't guarantee any success.

If just data collection would be enough then all crime should have been eradicated in the US by how much data NSA has.

The FBI also helps China to make sure Chinese scientists have a difficult career in USA.

It guarantees more access to training data which is crucial for development of any superiority when it comes to applied AI. The US still have a better academic culture but the chinese are catching up. Nothing is inevitable.

The strength of the US was always in the attractivity of the country for talented foreigners.

Is the same true of China, or will China have to rely on its homegrown cadre of scientists? Granted, there might be a lot of talent in a population of 1,4 billion.

> The US still have a better academic culture but the chinese are catching up.

Science is about truth. Dictatorships are about appealing to the dear leader. That's why China will never catch up to free and open countries.

No science is about truth. It's about falsifying claims through the process. However I agree with what you are saying about China.

As if there will ever be an AI age apart from brokern jupyter notebooks and MBA PowerPoint bullshit.

Pretty doubtful. The top innovating nations are such because they attract the top talent from around the world, and almost no talent at all moves to China. There's a lot of breakthroughs in AI left and whoever gets the most talent is going to have the advantage.

thats a different discussion. Parents point is that because CCP runs things the way they do, the access to otherwise hard to find datasets in the west, they will be better able to train their AIs. Not saying whether i agree or not just clarifying the argument being made.

Norvig’s article “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Data” suggests that it will be those with the most data who defeat those with the most talent.

So China's (1.4 bil and dropping) smart people vs the rest of the world's smart people (6-7 bil). And China doesn't get easy stepping stones when it wants by stealing secrets from western companies, uni's, and the us military.

Lets go.

It doesn't seem to me like the rest of the world is united against China. Even the US companies and universities are very friendly with them.

Yeah because of their greed. CCP was smart and used our greed against us.

Universities get these students to pay full tuition. Professors get graduate workhorses for research. Companies get cheap labor, low environmental standards, etc so they get a larger profit margin on their widget.

Most of the world is united against china. Every single neighbor of china hates them and hates them far more than they hate other foreigners. Vietnamese government is extremely friendly to america now because of the shaded rivalry with china.

China does have a sphere of influence but the total population of china + friends is well below 3 billion people and will continue to drop as a percentage of the world population.

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